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  • Mueller's investigation, one year in

    Mueller's investigation has been going for slightly over one year now. So far they have:
    - Brought over 100 criminal charges against 19 people and 3 companies.
    - Obtained guilty pleas from 6 of those people.

    At this stage Trump appears to be refusing to to be interviewed by Mueller's team.

    The list of countries that the Trump team appears to have worked with / conspired with pre-election has also grown to include not just Russia, but also:
    - Saudi Arabia
    - United Arab Emirates
    - Qatar
    - Israel
    - Turkey
    - China

    According to a Jerusalem Post article this week, Mueller has sent people to Israel to investigate the connections there and they are working with Israeli police. The NYT had a lengthy article on Saturday about a pre-election meeting between the Trump team and Arab and Israeli representatives.

    In the mean time, it seems Trump's new lawyer, Rudy Giuliani has decided on a PR strategy of saying as much made-up stuff on as many different news outlets as possible just to confuse everyone as much as possible.
    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

  • #2
    Your post would have been much shorter if you had simply said, "1-year in, and not a shred of evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia."

    In other news, we now know that the FBI had "informants" inside the campaign prior to the official investigation trying to entrap low-level volunteers into compromising themselves. Remember, the Obama administration has spent months vehemently denying this. Now John Brennan is hilariously claiming that while they were spying from within the Trump campaign, they weren't actually spying on the Trump campaign. You see, they were really trying to protect Trump from the Russians. It was all very "benign", nothing to worry about. Happens all the time. In fact, according to Brennan, Trump should be happy they were spying on him, the ungrateful putz!

    Why is it that every time we pull on a thread in this Russian probe, we find a Democrat at the other end?
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    • #3
      Keep telling yourself that MM. It'll totally become true if you wish hard enough.
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #4
        And that, my friends, is what cognitive dissonance looks like. Just ignore the jaw-dropping revelations from the past couple of weeks and continue to naively pretend that Mueller is really on to something.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • #5
          Nixon was disgraced when members of his staff attempted to plant bugs in the Democrat offices. Obama deserves no less for planting SPIES in Trump's campaign.
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            Obama deserves no less for planting SPIES in Trump's campaign.
            Except for the part where he didn't do any such thing and it's all in your head.

            But, keep those conspiracy theories coming! If you generate enough of them, one of them must eventually be right, right?
            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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            • #7
              Dude, it's not a conspiracy theory. James Clapper, Obama's Director of National Intelligence, has flat out admitted they planted spies in the Trump campaign. And you think Obama didn't know?
              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God


              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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              • #8
                It’s so amusing to see the massive delusions one falls under when they believe the lying media.
                "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  Mueller's investigation has been going for slightly over one year now. So far they have:
                  - Brought over 100 criminal charges against 19 people and 3 companies.
                  - Obtained guilty pleas from 6 of those people.
                  And have yet to, as far as I can tell, found anything actually implicating Trump himself.

                  Now, like I've said, it's completely possible he's found stuff on Trump that he's making a point to keep under wraps for now, and he's waited on accusing Trump of anything because he wants to make sure he has everything he can in order to wind up for the knockout punch. But until that occurs, I see little reason to find the claim of deliberate Russian collusion by Trump to be more credible than it was before the investigation. Particularly because the media has cried wolf on this so many times.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    Your post would have been much shorter if you had simply said, "1-year in, and not a shred of evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia."
                    The truth is that one year in and Mueller’s team has either indicted or gotten guilty pleas from 19 people and three companies — that we know of. And the Investigation isn't even concluded as yet.

                    The full list of known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe

                    1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty in October to making false statements to the FBI.

                    2) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to making false statements to the FBI.

                    3) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted in October in Washington, DC on charges of conspiracy, money laundering, and false statements — all related to his work for Ukrainian politicians before he joined the Trump campaign. He’s pleaded not guilty on all counts. Then, in February, Mueller filed a new case against him in Virginia, with tax, financial, and bank fraud charges.

                    4) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.

                    5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

                    21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller.

                    22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine.

                    Two ex-Trump advisers lied to the FBI about their contacts with Russians

                    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...nts-grand-jury
                    Last edited by Tassman; 05-24-2018, 02:45 AM.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                      The truth is that one year in and Mueller’s team has either indicted or gotten guilty pleas from 19 people and three companies — that we know of.
                      That's a good point. They may have chosen to keep some of their prosecutions under wraps at this stage. A reporter I was listening to today was saying she'd be surprised if they haven't already charged a lot of the Russian hackers, for example. Also, she commented that the public doesn't realize the sheer number of different people the Mueller team has interviewed for information - the media only reports that people have been interviewed if those people themselves tell the media because Mueller's team doesn't inform the media of who they've interviewed, and she was aware of unreported interviews herself.
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        In the mean time, it seems Trump's new lawyer, Rudy Giuliani has decided on a PR strategy of saying as much made-up stuff on as many different news outlets as possible just to confuse everyone as much as possible.
                        It's called "muddying the waters". Trump and Giuliani make a great team.
                        “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          That's a good point. They may have chosen to keep some of their prosecutions under wraps at this stage.
                          That is hilarious. They have been looking for anything to implicate Trump for over a year now and your theory is that they actually HAVE evidence but have chosen NOT to reveal it?

                          Have you been smoking some JimL weed?

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                          • #14
                            Let's go through these one at a time...

                            Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post
                            The full list of known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe

                            1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty in October to making false statements to the FBI.

                            2) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to making false statements to the FBI.
                            You know what a charge of "lying to investigators" means? It means Mueller and his gang of crooks couldn't get them on anything else, and dirty cops like Mueller won't hesitate to lay perjury traps by asking deliberately confusing questions in order to trick a suspect into contradicting himself. Oh, I know, the liberal narrative is they were given a slap on the wrist in exchange for giving up the goods on Trump, but two problems with that hypothesis: 1) If Mueller could have gotten them for anything more serious then he would have charged them with the big crime right up front and then let them plead down to a lesser charge -- in this case, he would have charged them with criminal conspiracy, gotten his guilty plea, and then used that as his evidence to go after the bigger fish, but that's not what happened; and 2) No competent attorney would allow his star witnesses to be put on record as lying to the cops because it destroys their credibility and makes them easy pickings for the defense team.

                            Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post
                            3) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted in October in Washington, DC on charges of conspiracy, money laundering, and false statements — all related to his work for Ukrainian politicians before he joined the Trump campaign. He’s pleaded not guilty on all counts. Then, in February, Mueller filed a new case against him in Virginia, with tax, financial, and bank fraud charges.

                            4) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.
                            They were charged for crimes that happened years before Trump was even a candidate.

                            Although there is one curious thing worth noting here: Manafort and Gates apparently had ties to a Russian oligarch named Oleg Deripaska.

                            You know who else has ties to Deripaska?

                            Robert Mueller.

                            Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post
                            5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.
                            Ah, yes, the 13 Russian ham sandwiches who had no direct or even indirect ties to Trump, who trolled the internet on behalf of both Trump and Hillary, who organized anti-Trump rallies (at least one of which was famously attended by filmmaker Michael Moron), and who will never see the inside of a courtroom. In other words, these indictments are largely a meaningless symbolic gesture.

                            Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post
                            21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller.
                            This guy had nothing whatsoever to do with the Trump campaign. He was operating an online auction house and according to law enforcement records, he unknowingly interacted with Russian intelligence agents.

                            Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post
                            22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine.
                            Another process crime. See Papadopoulos and Flynn.

                            So what we're looking at here is one big, fat nothing burger. We know Mueller doesn't have anything on Trump because as leaky as his investigation has been, it's a given that we would have heard about it the second anything surfaced that could have implicated our duly elected President. Anybody who thinks that Mueller is keeping everything under wraps until he has the case buttoned up tight is living in a fantasy world.

                            Meanwhile, after nearly two-years of denial, Obama's Director of National Intelligence is on record finally admitting that they were, in fact, spying on the Trump campaign, although he hilariously tries to downplay it as "benign" and absurdly claims that Trump should be happy about being spied on (yes, he really said that!). We also know that their moles made multiple attempts, apparently without success, to entrap low-level members of the Trump campaign. Yes, attempts. As in more. than. one.

                            Watergate is still considered a major scandal, but this all makes Watergate looks like a petty crime in comparison.
                            Last edited by Mountain Man; 05-24-2018, 08:06 AM.
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • #15
                              In other news...

                              Source: Rank-and-File FBI Agents Eager to Blow Whistle on Comey, Holder, Lynch

                              A new report claims that a significant number of rank-and-file FBI agents are chomping at the bit to expose Obama-era leaders, alleging corruption and even criminal violations of the law.

                              These agents are signaling that the only way they can safely and legally blow the whistle is if Congress subpoenas them individually to provide information about their former bosses.

                              “There are agents all over this country who love the bureau and are sickened by [James] Comey’s behavior and [Andrew] McCabe and [Eric] Holder and [Loretta] Lynch and the thugs like [John] Brennan–who despise the fact that the bureau was used as a tool of political intelligence by the Obama administration thugs,” Joe DiGenova, a former United States Attorney for the District of Columbia, told the Daily Caller.

                              “They are just waiting for a chance to come forward and testify.”

                              http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...-lynch-mccabe/

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                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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