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  • FBI directory Wray embraces the watchdog report, Trump not happy

    So another hand picked professional has sided with reality and been honest about the truth, and as can only be expected, Donald Trump is not happy about it.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/10/polit...ort/index.html


    So how many times have we seen this show the last 3 years? Honest people, aligned with Trump's policies, reach a point where they must speak out about the truth even though it does not comport with Trump's view of the world and Trump lashes out at them in anger, expecting loyalty to him over the truth.

    Will the Trump 'base' now file Wray away in their 'traitors to the president' file? Will we start seeing 'rat' and 'lying scum' next to his name by the most ardent Trump supporters here on this site like we have so many others in the past 3 years?

    Exactly how many times can honest, principled people that reach the point where they simply must stand against Trump and for the Truth before the ardent Trump supporter is finally shaken out of their stupor?

    Before they realize what they've hitched their wagon too is just a bad horse?

    Before they realize a man to whom personal loyalty is more important than principle or morality is a bad choice for the office of POTUS.
    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 12-10-2019, 08:58 AM.
    My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

    If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

    This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

  • #2
    Meanwhile, AG Barr and Durham do not agree with Horowitz's conclusions with AG Barr saying:

    The Inspector General’s report now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken. It is also clear that, from its inception, the evidence produced by the investigation was consistently exculpatory.

    Nevertheless, the investigation and surveillance was pushed forward for the duration of the campaign and deep into President Trump’s administration. In the rush to obtain and maintain FISA surveillance of Trump campaign associates, FBI officials misled the FISA court, omitted critical exculpatory facts from their filings, and suppressed or ignored information negating the reliability of their principal source.

    The Inspector General found the explanations given for these actions unsatisfactory. While most of the misconduct identified by the Inspector General was committed in 2016 and 2017 by a small group of now-former FBI officials, the malfeasance and misfeasance detailed in the Inspector General’s report reflects a clear abuse of the FISA process.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...-fisa-process/

    And...

    Durham says: "last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened". This is important because the difference between the inspector general and the U.S. attorney is that John Durham has interviewed Downer and Mifsud, and Horowitz has not.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ear-on-page-2/

    Stay tuned. There's a lot more to come.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      Meanwhile, AG Barr and Durham do not agree with Horowitz's conclusions with AG Barr saying:

      The Inspector General’s report now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken. It is also clear that, from its inception, the evidence produced by the investigation was consistently exculpatory.

      Nevertheless, the investigation and surveillance was pushed forward for the duration of the campaign and deep into President Trump’s administration. In the rush to obtain and maintain FISA surveillance of Trump campaign associates, FBI officials misled the FISA court, omitted critical exculpatory facts from their filings, and suppressed or ignored information negating the reliability of their principal source.

      The Inspector General found the explanations given for these actions unsatisfactory. While most of the misconduct identified by the Inspector General was committed in 2016 and 2017 by a small group of now-former FBI officials, the malfeasance and misfeasance detailed in the Inspector General’s report reflects a clear abuse of the FISA process.

      https://theconservativetreehouse.com...-fisa-process/

      And...

      Durham says: "last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened". This is important because the difference between the inspector general and the U.S. attorney is that John Durham has interviewed Downer and Mifsud, and Horowitz has not.

      https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ear-on-page-2/

      Stay tuned. There's a lot more to come.
      Like you care what Barr says or advises unless it agrees with you. Here he is telling Trump avoid using Guiliani for foreign policy, lest he become “hand grenade” Bolton warned about:

      https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/08/polit...nts/index.html

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      • #4
        Originally posted by whag View Post
        Like you care what Barr says or advises unless it agrees with you. Here he is telling Trump avoid using Guiliani for foreign policy, lest he become “hand grenade” Bolton warned about:

        https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/08/polit...nts/index.html
        More anonymous sources.
        Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          Meanwhile, AG Barr and Durham do not agree with Horowitz's conclusions with AG Barr saying:

          The Inspector General’s report now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken. It is also clear that, from its inception, the evidence produced by the investigation was consistently exculpatory.

          Nevertheless, the investigation and surveillance was pushed forward for the duration of the campaign and deep into President Trump’s administration. In the rush to obtain and maintain FISA surveillance of Trump campaign associates, FBI officials misled the FISA court, omitted critical exculpatory facts from their filings, and suppressed or ignored information negating the reliability of their principal source.

          The Inspector General found the explanations given for these actions unsatisfactory. While most of the misconduct identified by the Inspector General was committed in 2016 and 2017 by a small group of now-former FBI officials, the malfeasance and misfeasance detailed in the Inspector General’s report reflects a clear abuse of the FISA process.

          https://theconservativetreehouse.com...-fisa-process/

          And...

          Durham says: "last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened". This is important because the difference between the inspector general and the U.S. attorney is that John Durham has interviewed Downer and Mifsud, and Horowitz has not.

          https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ear-on-page-2/

          Stay tuned. There's a lot more to come.
          bovine feces has a way of 'continuing to come' ...
          My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

          If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

          This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            Meanwhile, AG Barr and Durham do not agree with Horowitz's conclusions with AG Barr saying:

            The Inspector General’s report now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken. It is also clear that, from its inception, the evidence produced by the investigation was consistently exculpatory.

            Nevertheless, the investigation and surveillance was pushed forward for the duration of the campaign and deep into President Trump’s administration. In the rush to obtain and maintain FISA surveillance of Trump campaign associates, FBI officials misled the FISA court, omitted critical exculpatory facts from their filings, and suppressed or ignored information negating the reliability of their principal source.

            The Inspector General found the explanations given for these actions unsatisfactory. While most of the misconduct identified by the Inspector General was committed in 2016 and 2017 by a small group of now-former FBI officials, the malfeasance and misfeasance detailed in the Inspector General’s report reflects a clear abuse of the FISA process.

            https://theconservativetreehouse.com...-fisa-process/

            And...

            Durham says: "last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened". This is important because the difference between the inspector general and the U.S. attorney is that John Durham has interviewed Downer and Mifsud, and Horowitz has not.

            https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ear-on-page-2/

            Stay tuned. There's a lot more to come.
            The fact that Durham publicly stated he wasn't satisfied with the findings, something that was seen as unusual from his position, shows how deep the corruption is with the FBI, and the DoJ covering for them. So deep that it's even astounding Barr and Durham.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by seanD View Post
              The fact that Durham publicly stated he wasn't satisfied with the findings, something that was seen as unusual from his position, shows how deep the corruption is with the FBI, and the DoJ covering for them. So deep that it's even astounding Barr and Durham.
              wow.
              My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

              If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

              This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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              • #8
                And here's Comey gaslighting folks from a whole different reality. Remember, this guy was FBI director just less than two years ago.

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                • #9
                  Barr has plenty more to say...

                  During a portion of an interview with NBC’s Pete Williams that aired on Tuesday’s broadcast of MSNBC’s “Andrea Mitchell Reports,” Attorney General William Barr called the American press “completely irresponsible” regarding claims the 2016 presidential campaign of Donald Trump colluded with the Russians.

                  Barr said, “I think our nation was turned on its head for three years, I think based on a completely bogus narrative that was largely fanned and hyped by a completely irresponsible press.”

                  He continued, “I think that there were gross abuses of FISA. And inexplicable behavior that are intolerable in the FBI. And the attorney general’s primary responsibility is to protect against the abuse of the law enforcement and intelligence apparatus. And make sure that it doesn’t.”

                  https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019...onsible-press/

                  During a portion of an interview with NBC’s Pete Williams that aired on Tuesday’s broadcast of MSNBC’s “Andrea Mitchell Reports,” Attorney General William Barr said the FBI ignored exculpatory evidence when obtaining FISA warrants in the investigation of any possible Trump campaign ties with Russia.

                  Barr said, “From day one — remember, they said, okay, we’re not going to talk to the campaign. We’re going to put people in there, rile them up and have conversations with people involved in the campaign because that way, we’ll get the truth. From the very first day of this investigation, which is July 31st, 2016, all the way to its end, September 2017, there was not one incriminatory bit of evidence to come in. It was all exculpatory. The people with the tapings denied it with Russia, denied the specific facts that the FBI was relying on. So what happens? The FBI ignores it, presses ahead, withholds that information from the court, withholds critical exculpatory information from the court while it gets an electronic surveillance warrant. It also withholds from the court clear cut evidence that the dossier that they ultimately relied on to get the FISA warrant was a complete sham.”

                  He continued, “They hid information about the lack of the liability, even when they went the first time for the warrant. But in January, after the election, the entire case collapsed when the principal source says I never told this. I never told Steele this stuff. And this was also speculation. And I have zero information to support this stuff. At that point, when their entire case collapsed, what do they do? They kept on investigating the president well into his administration after the case collapsed. But here to me is the damning thing: They not only didn’t tell the court that what they had been relying on was completely, you know, rubbish, they actually started putting in things to bolster this Steele report by saying we talked to the sources and they appeared to be truthful. But they don’t inform the court what they’re truthful about is that the dossier is false. So that’s hard to explain. And the core statement, in my opinion by the IG, is that these irregularities, these misstatements, these omissions were not satisfactorily explained and that leaves open the possibility to infer bad faith.”

                  https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019...investigation/
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                    wow.
                    That's what Mark Meadows said...

                    Wow... page 341. IG says FBI used an Aug. 2016 'defensive briefing' with the Trump campaign as an "opportunity to gather potentially relevant investigative information” about Michael Flynn

                    They used defensive briefings for their investigation into the Trump campaign

                    Wow

                    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortne...y-wow-n2557705
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      That's what Mark Meadows said...

                      Wow... page 341. IG says FBI used an Aug. 2016 'defensive briefing' with the Trump campaign as an "opportunity to gather potentially relevant investigative information” about Michael Flynn

                      They used defensive briefings for their investigation into the Trump campaign

                      Wow

                      https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortne...y-wow-n2557705
                      Always the twister. I guess you must have played that a lot as a kid.
                      My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                      If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                      This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                        wow.
                        Yeah, wow. Barr is an establishment toady, who's also been involved in questionable surveillance in the 90s. I was doubting he'd report anything of substance -- especially against a federal agency like the FBI -- until he rebutted a federal report. He wouldn't put his credibility on the line, essentially make a public mockery of that if he didn't have something pretty juicy that contradicted that report.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by seanD View Post
                          Yeah, wow. Barr is an establishment toady, who's also been involved in questionable surveillance in the 90s. I was doubting he'd report anything of substance -- especially against a federal agency like the FBI -- until he rebutted a federal report. He wouldn't put his credibility on the line, essentially make a public mockery of that if he didn't have something pretty juicy that contradicted that report.
                          Nah, he's just willing to do whatever it takes to make trump look good better
                          My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                          If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                          This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                          • #14
                            It's pretty much what I expected from Horowitz -- not so much because he's an Obama holdover, but because it seems the way swampy people operate. Same with Wray.

                            1) Call out a ton of mistakes, but don't ascribe any wrongdoing.

                            2) Follow the "crap runs downhill" principle, so that no one high up really gets smeared with any.

                            3) All to make sure the agency itself doesn't look bad.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                              Nah, he's just willing to do whatever it takes to make trump look good better
                              That's the expected argument of the anti-Trump brigade. What else is new

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