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  • Does Socialism align with Scripture?

    The right to personal property is God-given, not government-given. (Exodus 20:15)Healthy ambition is good and should be rewarded with the opportunity to accumulate. (Matthew 25:14-30)The helplessly poor are to be assisted and shown compassion. (1 John 3:17-18)God ordained government primarily to keep order not to redistribute wealth. (Romans 13:1-7)
    The solution to human problems is redemption in Christ, not the redistribution of wealth. (Luke 12:15)
    http://www.bobrussell.org/ask-bob-do...ith-scripture/


  • #2
    Yes, Socialism aligns with scripture.

    And all those who had believed were together and had all things in common and they began selling their property and possessions and were sharing them with all, as anyone might have need.
    Acts 2:44-45 NASB

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Timothy View Post
      Yes, Socialism aligns with scripture.

      And all those who had believed were together and had all things in common and they began selling their property and possessions and were sharing them with all, as anyone might have need.
      Acts 2:44-45 NASB
      Nope, that was individuals sharing what they had, not the government forcing compliance. Neither were they compelled to share.
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Timothy View Post
        Yes, Socialism aligns with scripture.

        And all those who had believed were together and had all things in common and they began selling their property and possessions and were sharing them with all, as anyone might have need.
        Acts 2:44-45 NASB
        That's voluntary sharing, not the Government forcing you to, or taking your possessions and distributing it.

        Also don't forget Paul who said if you don't work you don't eat.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Timothy View Post
          Yes, Socialism aligns with scripture.

          And all those who had believed were together and had all things in common and they began selling their property and possessions and were sharing them with all, as anyone might have need.
          Acts 2:44-45 NASB
          This B.S. yet again?

          And folks wonder why I bookmark some of my old posts
          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          Precisely. It was how they took care of themselves and each other -- a very small group that in effect was an extended family. Nowhere is it even suggested that this was supposed to be a blueprint for how a nation or government should do things. In fact I Timothy 5:8, where we read
          But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

          makes it clear that it is an individual responsibility and not something to be sloughed on to some group. The simple fact of the matter is that Jesus instructed His followers to take care of the poor. He never said anything about getting government to force others to do so.

          Moreover, in II Thessalonians 3:10 Paul tells us that any assistance that we give out needs to be paired with responsibility
          For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.

          Those who slack off, refuse to work, and expect a handout should get nothing. They should be refused aid. That contradicts the whole "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" mantra of the left.

          The parable of the talents (Matthew 25:14-30) has the main character giving according to their ability not according to their need. And note how he took back what he gave the servant who buried the money and did nothing with it rather than used it to increase the owners wealth and gave it to the servant who had increased his wealth ten-fold.

          And let's be blunt, socialism is not about sharing but rather seizing someone's property by force or threat of force (if you don't voluntarily hand it over) and giving it away including to those who do nothing but hold out their hand and then demand more. And keep in mind that the Bible does not condone in any way shape or form someone demanding money from others. Instead it explicitly teaches that we should not covet what others have (Exodus 20:17; cf. Deuteronomy 5:21)

          Socialism teaches that we should look at what other people have, crave it and then decide on what should be taken away from them so that we can have it.

          Finally, "common ownership" didn't mean everything was shared. As Acts Acts 12:12; 16:40; Romans 16:3-5; Colossians 4:15 makes clear some Christians (including John Mark -- the first reference) still owned property and their own homes, allowing them to be used upon occasion as meeting places for the church.




          I always find it ironic how those who refuse to listen to Him and scream about separation of Church and State whenever someone quotes Scripture when talking about social policy suddenly turn around and seek to try to use Him to support something they want.

          I'm always still in trouble again

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          • #6
            Wow, the OP verses are an incredible stretch to try and make tangential points. All the while he ignores pretty much everything Jesus had to say about wealth and poverty in the gospels, which is a huge amount, and what the apostles went on to do in Acts with regard to setting up their community. He's strained out the gnat whilst swallowing the camel.
            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              That's voluntary sharing, not the Government forcing you to, or taking your possessions and distributing it.

              Also don't forget Paul who said if you don't work you don't eat.
              Your question was not "Does government enforced socialism align with scripture?"
              Your question was "Does socialism align with scripture?", and as you can plainly see from Acts 2:44-45 it does. How you feel about that is a different story altogether and I really don't care how you feel about it.
              Last edited by Timothy; 03-09-2020, 02:18 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                This B.S. yet again?
                B.S? Really? You consider the Book of Acts to be B.S?

                Whatever. I don't care what you think.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Timothy View Post
                  B.S? Really? You consider the Book of Acts to be B.S?

                  Whatever. I don't care what you think.
                  No, I consider your out of context interpretation to be B.S. (note that I expressly addressed Acts)

                  And if you didn't care you wouldn't have asked.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    No, I consider your out of context interpretation to be B.S. (note that I expressly addressed Acts)

                    And if you didn't care you wouldn't have asked.
                    The Bible says what the Bible says whether or not you like what it says.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Timothy View Post
                      The Bible says what the Bible says whether or not you like what it says.
                      Really Tim? Where does the Bible support Government forced distribution of wealth?
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        Wow, the OP verses are an incredible stretch to try and make tangential points. All the while he ignores pretty much everything Jesus had to say about wealth and poverty in the gospels, which is a huge amount, and what the apostles went on to do in Acts with regard to setting up their community. He's strained out the gnat whilst swallowing the camel.
                        God was the one who made some people in the Bible very rich. And Jesus never advocated taking away from the rich because they had too much. He advocated those that had much to share with others. That isn't socialism. That's charity. Caring for your fellow many out of compassion. Not being forced to by greedy people who feel like they should have what others have earned. Socialism is based on envy.

                        The bible says, "Do not covet" - Socialism says coveting is good.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Timothy View Post
                          Your question was not "Does government enforced socialism align with scripture?"
                          Your question was "Does socialism align with scripture?", and as you can plainly see from Acts 2:44-45 it does. How you feel about that is a different story altogether and I really don't care how you feel about it.
                          But it doesn't, as I said above, Socialism is about envy and coveting what others have. Charity isn't socialism.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by seer View Post
                            Really Tim? Where does the Bible support Government forced distribution of wealth?
                            Really Seer? Where did I ever say that the Bible supports Government forced distribution of wealth? Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
                            Please show me where I ever said that the Bible supports Government forced distribution of wealth. This is why nobody likes you.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              But it doesn't, as I said above, Socialism is about envy and coveting what others have. Charity isn't socialism.
                              I just said what the scriptures said, which was your original assignment. I'm sorry that you don't like what the scriptures say.

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