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Why is there something rather then nothing?
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Why is there something rather then nothing?
Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Tags: None
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A "roiling cloud of particles and antiparticles" is not absolutely nothing at all. The question is asking why there exists anything instead of absolutely nothing. This and the many similar articles on the subject don't actually answer that question.
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Originally posted by CMD View PostA "roiling cloud of particles and antiparticles" is not absolutely nothing at all. The question is asking why there exists anything instead of absolutely nothing. This and the many similar articles on the subject don't actually answer that question.O Gladsome Light of the Holy Glory of the Immortal Father, Heavenly, Holy, Blessed Jesus Christ! Now that we have come to the setting of the sun and behold the light of evening, we praise God Father, Son and Holy Spirit. For meet it is at all times to worship Thee with voices of praise. O Son of God and Giver of Life, therefore all the world doth glorify Thee.
A neat video of dead languages!
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It reminds me of Greek mythology in a way. First there was chaos. And then of course Genesis 1:2 which Robert Alter translates as, "And the world then was welter and waste."O Gladsome Light of the Holy Glory of the Immortal Father, Heavenly, Holy, Blessed Jesus Christ! Now that we have come to the setting of the sun and behold the light of evening, we praise God Father, Son and Holy Spirit. For meet it is at all times to worship Thee with voices of praise. O Son of God and Giver of Life, therefore all the world doth glorify Thee.
A neat video of dead languages!
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Originally posted by Kelp(p) View PostTrue, but if you head over to the philosophy board, you'll see that we've been struggling with the question for a couple of days and it seems like true nothingness in the philosophical sense is an oxymoron.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostIt is not really a philosophical question. If the universe did not exist - no space/time, and no sea of particles and antiparticles - would exist. You can play with words all day (or several days) but you can not nail down nothing.O Gladsome Light of the Holy Glory of the Immortal Father, Heavenly, Holy, Blessed Jesus Christ! Now that we have come to the setting of the sun and behold the light of evening, we praise God Father, Son and Holy Spirit. For meet it is at all times to worship Thee with voices of praise. O Son of God and Giver of Life, therefore all the world doth glorify Thee.
A neat video of dead languages!
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Originally posted by CMD View PostA "roiling cloud of particles and antiparticles" is not absolutely nothing at all. The question is asking why there exists anything instead of absolutely nothing. This and the many similar articles on the subject don't actually answer that question.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostIts a play on words to illustrate some new aspects of modeling the beginnings of universes.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostBut it has nothing whatsoever to do with nothing.O Gladsome Light of the Holy Glory of the Immortal Father, Heavenly, Holy, Blessed Jesus Christ! Now that we have come to the setting of the sun and behold the light of evening, we praise God Father, Son and Holy Spirit. For meet it is at all times to worship Thee with voices of praise. O Son of God and Giver of Life, therefore all the world doth glorify Thee.
A neat video of dead languages!
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Originally posted by Kelp(p) View PostYeah, I wish Lawrence Krauss, et al. would have picked a different term. I've seen at least one atheist use this to claim that science has disproved the existence of God.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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I do not care for the word 'nothing' in the scientific context of the nature of the 'Quantum World' without the time and space of universes, but nonetheless this article does explain the contemporary application of Quantum Mechanics to the formation of possible universes. In reality it is nothing new, but it does give a good explanation.
Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostHere, then, is how everything could have come from nothing.Last edited by firstfloor; 11-13-2014, 06:54 AM.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Postlol on disproving nor proving the existence of a 'Source' some call god(s). 'One atheist?'O Gladsome Light of the Holy Glory of the Immortal Father, Heavenly, Holy, Blessed Jesus Christ! Now that we have come to the setting of the sun and behold the light of evening, we praise God Father, Son and Holy Spirit. For meet it is at all times to worship Thee with voices of praise. O Son of God and Giver of Life, therefore all the world doth glorify Thee.
A neat video of dead languages!
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostIts a play on words to illustrate some new aspects of modeling the beginnings of universes.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostI think the problem with ‘nothing’ is that it has no properties at all. It even does not have the property of existence. Therefore the idea “from nothing” is meaningless. That would mean that somethingness would be the simplest possible concept. What physics seems to claim is that, since we exist, the laws governing this simplest condition allows the evolution of a universe like ours.
I agree that the term 'nothing' in science is misleading, but go along with it for convenience. The assumption is not based on 'since we exist,' but based on the current 'Quantum Theory,' especially 'Quantum Gravity,' and how things function without time and space in a Quantum World.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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