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What is a 'Christ'?
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It looks to me like Eisenman is ascribing to Hippolytus a view which he is reporting as being held by a heretical group. And he conveniently doesn't cite where he's exactly getting the information from, so it's hard to check.
Eisenman, IIRC, is rather far out of the mainstream on DSS scholarship.
"Christ" simply means "anointed one"; Jesus is the one anointed. The view given above thus ignores the meaning of the word 'Christ.' Does that help?Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIt looks to me like Eisenman is ascribing to Hippolytus a view which he is reporting as being held by a heretical group. And he conveniently doesn't cite where he's exactly getting the information from, so it's hard to check.
Eisenman, IIRC, is rather far out of the mainstream on DSS scholarship.
"Christ" simply means "anointed one"; Jesus is the one anointed. The view given above thus ignores the meaning of the word 'Christ.' Does that help?
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostAnd the act of anointing Jesus is accomplished by God through baptism and the use of a dove?Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostAnd the act of anointing Jesus is accomplished by God through baptism and the use of a dove?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Biblically how many 'Christs' are there in the OT and prophesy?
Does the OT specify different kinds of Christ?Last edited by shunyadragon; 07-24-2015, 11:09 AM.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostAnd the anointing is linked, of course, to the start of his ministry and his new ability to perform miracles.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat's kinda like saying the act of establishing a POTUS is accomplished by having an inauguration. The baptism was a public recognition of who Christ was.
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The Christ is the ONLY unique Son of God...Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostIt can be understood differently;
that Jesus was transformed by the Holy Spirit having been an ordinary human being from birth.
You have to discount the story of the virgin birth but that is not difficult.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostAnd the anointing is linked, of course, to the start of his ministry
and his new ability to perform miracles.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostBut you do realise that Messiah meaning Anointed usually refers to a person
No, because He was with God from the beginning.
He was establishing baptism as a symbol of obedience.
He did so because he was not sinless.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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