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  • A Conservative Pundit Discusses an Imminent Ice Age

    George Will is a conservative pundit. In the past, he said that during the 1970s, the scientific community was predicting an imminent ice. Of course, Will was wrong on this, as discussed here and here (especially in the latter video from 00:59 to 01:05 and from 04:30 to 05:30). Even in the 1970s, scientists were predicting was that global warming was imminent, as opposed to global cooling, let alone an imminent ice age. For instance:

    "The Myth of the 1970s Global Cooling Scientific Consensus"
    journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2008BAMS2370.1
    "MEDIA COVERAGE

    When the myth of the 1970s global cooling scare arises in contemporary discussion over climate change, it is most often in the form of citations not to the scientific literature, but to news media coverage. That is where U.S. Senator James Inhofe turned for much of the evidence to support his argument in a U.S. Senate floor speech in 2003 (Inhofe 2003). Chief among his evidence was a frequently cited Newsweek story: “The cooling world” (Gwynne 1975). The story drew from the latest global temperature records, and suggested that cooling “may portend a drastic decline for food production.” Citing the Kuklas’ work on increasing Northern Hemisphere snow and ice, and Reid Bryson’s concerns about a long-term cooling trend, the Newsweek story juxtaposes the possibility of cooling temperatures and decreasing food production with rising global populations. Other articles of the time featured similar themes (see “Popular literature of the era” sidebar).

    Even cursory review of the news media coverage of the issue reveals that, just as there was no consensus at the time among scientists, so was there also no consensus among journalists. For example, these are titles from two New York Times articles: “Scientists ask why world climate is changing; major cooling may be ahead” (Sullivan 1975a) and “Warming trend seen in climate; two articles counter view that cold period is due” (Sullivan 1975b). Equally juxtaposed were The Cooling (Ponte 1976), which was published the year after Hothouse Earth (Wilcox 1975).

    However, the news coverage of the time does reflect what New York Times science writer Andrew Revkin calls “the tyranny of the news peg,” based on the idea that reporters need a “peg” on which to hang a story. Developments that are dramatic or new tend to draw the news media’s attention, Revkin argues, rather than the complexity of a nuanced discussion within the scientific community (Revkin 2005). A handy peg for climate stories during the 1970s was the cold weather (1329).

    [...]

    SURVEY OF THE PEER-REVIEWED LITERATURE

    [...]

    The survey identified only 7 articles indicating cooling compared to 44 indicating warming. Those seven cooling articles garnered just 12% of the citations (1331)."


    So can people please stop parroting Will's mistaken claims and stop thinking Will is some sort of reliable source? Thanks.


    Originally posted by John Reece View Post
    Originally posted by Jichard View Post
    Is this the same George Wil who was sputing nonsense about how scientists were predicting an imminent ice age in the 1970s?


    The following are excerpts from Popular Technology.net "Impartial Analysis of Popular Trends and Technology" Copyright © 2004-2015 Popular Technology.

    Click the link here for full documentation and links to other sources including videos.

    See the references listed below in this post -JR
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    Thursday, February 28, 2013

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." – George Santayana

    During the 1970s the media promoted global cooling alarmism with dire threats of a new ice age. Extreme weather events were hyped as signs of the coming apocalypse and man-made pollution was blamed as the cause. Environmental extremists called for everything from outlawing the internal combustion engine to communist style population controls. "Pollution Prospect A Chilling One"

    The Argus-Press, January 26, 1970

    [see this link for quote or video : http://www.populartechnology.net/201...alarmism.html]

    This media hype was found in major newspapers, magazines, books and on television;

    "Climate experts believe the next ice age is on its way."
    - Leonard Nimoy, 1978

    References: [Note: There are PDF links to almost all of the following references here]

    1970 - Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age - Scientists See Ice Age In the Future (The Washington Post, January 11, 1970)
    1970 - Is Mankind Manufacturing a New Ice Age for Itself? (L.A. Times, January 15, 1970)
    1970 - New Ice Age May Descend On Man (Sumter Daily Item, January 26, 1970)
    1970 - Pollution Prospect A Chilling One (The Argus-Press, January 26, 1970)
    1970 - Pollution's 2-way 'Freeze' On Society (Middlesboro Daily News, January 28, 1970)
    1970 - Cold Facts About Pollution (The Southeast Missourian, January 29, 1970)
    1970 - Pollution Could Cause Ice Age, Agency Reports (St. Petersburg Times, March 4, 1970)
    1970 - Scientist predicts a new ice age by 21st century (The Boston Globe, April 16, 1970)
    1970 - Pollution Called Ice Age Threat (St. Petersburg Times, June 26, 1970)
    1970 - U.S. and Soviet Press Studies of a Colder Arctic (The New York Times, July 18, 1970)
    1970 - Dirt Will Bring New Ice Age (The Sydney Morning Herald, October 19, 1970)
    1971 - Ice Age Refugee Dies Underground (Montreal Gazette, Febuary 17, 1971)
    1971 - Pollution Might Lead To Another Ice Age (The Schenectady Gazette, March 22, 1971)
    1971 - Pollution May Bring Ice Age - Scientist Rites Risk (The Windsor Star, March 23, 1971)
    1971 - U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming (The Washington Post, July 9, 1971)
    1971 - Ice Age Around the Corner (Chicago Tribune, July 10, 1971)
    1971 - New Ice Age Coming - It's Already Getting Colder (L.A. Times, October 24, 1971)
    1971 - Another Ice Age? Pollution Blocking Sunlight (The Day, November 1, 1971)
    1971 - Air Pollution Could Bring An Ice Age (Harlan Daily Enterprise, November 4, 1971)
    1972 - Air pollution may cause ice age (Free-Lance Star, February 3, 1972)
    1972 - Scientist Says New ice Age Coming (The Ledger, February 13, 1972)
    1972 - Ice Age Cometh For Dicey Times (The Sun, May 29, 1972)
    1972 - Ice Age Coming (Deseret News, September 8, 1972)
    1972 - There's a new Ice Age coming! (The Windsor Star, September 9, 1972)
    1972 - Scientist predicts new ice age (Free-Lance Star, September 11, 1972)
    1972 - British Expert on Climate Change Says New Ice Age Creeping Over Northern Hemisphere (Lewiston Evening Journal, September 11, 1972)
    1972 - Climate Seen Cooling For Return Of Ice Age (The Portsmouth Times, ‎September 11, 1972‎)
    1972 - New Ice Age Slipping Over North (The Press-Courier, September 11, 1972)
    1972 - Beginning of new ice age (The Canberra Times, September 12, 1972)
    1972 - Ice Age Begins A New Assault In North (The Age, September 12, 1972)
    1972 - Weather To Get Colder (Montreal Gazette, ‎September 12, 1972‎)
    1972 - British climate expert predicts new Ice Age (The Christian Science Monitor, September 23, 1972)
    1972 - Scientist Sees Chilling Signs of New Ice Age (L.A. Times, September 24, 1972)
    1972 - Science: Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, November 13, 1972)
    1972 - Geologist at Case Traces Long Winters - Sees Ice Age in 20 Years (Youngstown Vindicator, December 13, 1972)
    1972 - Ice Age On Its Way, Scientist Says (Toledo Blade, December 13, 1972)
    1972 - Ice Age Predicted In About 200 Years (The Portsmouth Times, December 14, 1972)
    1973 - New Ice Age coming? (Popular Science, January 1973)
    1973 - The Ice Age Cometh (The Saturday Review, March 24, 1973)
    1973 - Believe new ice age is coming (The Bryan Times, March 31, 1973)
    1973 - 'Man-made Ice Age' Worries Scientists (The Free Lance-Star, June 22, 1973)
    1973 - Fear Of Man-made Ice Age (The Spartanburg Herald, June 28, 1973)
    1973 - Possibility Of Ice Age Worries The Scientists (The Argus-Press, November 12, 1973)
    1973 - Weather-watchers think another ice age may be on the way (The Christian Science Monitor, December 11, 1973)
    1974 - Ominous Changes in the World's Weather (PDF) (Fortune Magazine, February 1974)
    1974 - Atmospheric Dirt: Ice Age Coming?‎ (Pittsburgh Press, February 28, 1974)
    1974 - Support for theory of a cooling world (The Canberra Times, May 16, 1974)
    1974 - New evidence indicates ice age here (Eugene Register-Guard, May 29, 1974)
    1974 - Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, June 24, 1974)
    1974 - 2 Scientists Think 'Little' Ice Age Near (Hartford Courant, August 11, 1974)
    1974 - Ice Age, worse food crisis seen (Chicago Tribune, October 30, 1974)
    1974 - Imminent Arrival of the Ice (Radio Times, November 14, 1974)
    1974 - Making a BBC Science Special [The Weather Machine] (New Scientist, November 14, 1974)
    1974 - The Weather Machine (BBC, November 20, 1974)
    1974 - New ice age 'could be in our lifetime' (The Canberra Times, November 22, 1974)
    1974 - Believes Pollution Could Bring On Ice Age (Ludington Daily News, December 4, 1974)
    1974 - Pollution Could Spur Ice Age, Nasa Says (Beaver Country Times, ‎December 4, 1974‎)
    1974 - Air Pollution May Trigger Ice Age, Scientists Feel (The Telegraph, ‎December 5, 1974‎)
    1974 - More Air Pollution Could Trigger Ice Age Disaster (Daily Sentinel, ‎December 5, 1974‎)
    1974 - Scientists Fear Smog Could Cause Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, December 5, 1974)
    1975 - Climate Changes Called Ominous (The New York Times, January 19, 1975)
    1975 - Climate Change: Chilling Possibilities (Science News, March 1, 1975)
    1975 - B-r-r-r-r: New Ice Age on way soon? (Chicago Tribune, March 2, 1975)
    1975 - Cooling Trends Arouse Fear That New Ice Age Coming (Eugene Register-Guard, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
    1975 - Is Another Ice Age Due? Arctic Ice Expands In Last Decade (Youngstown Vindicator, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
    1975 - Is Earth Headed For Another Ice Age? (Reading Eagle, March 2, 1975)
    1975 - New Ice Age Dawning? Significant Shift In Climate Seen (Times Daily, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
    1975 - There's Troublesome Weather Ahead (Tri City Herald, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
    1975 - Is Earth Doomed To Live Through Another Ice Age? (The Robesonian, ‎March 3, 1975‎)
    1975 - The Ice Age cometh: the system that controls our climate (Chicago Tribune, April 13, 1975)
    1975 - The Cooling World (Newsweek, April 28, 1975)
    1975 - Cooling trend may signal coming of another Ice Age (The Sun, May 16, 1975)
    1975 - Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead (PDF) (The New York Times, May 21, 1975)
    1975 - Summer of A New Ice Age (The Age, June 5, 1975)
    1975 - In the Grip of a New Ice Age? (International Wildlife, July-August, 1975)
    1975 - Experts ponder another ice age (The Spokesman-Review, September 8, 1975)
    1975 - Oil Spill Could Cause New Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, December 11, 1975)
    1976 - Deadly Harvest [Film] (Starring: Kim Cattrall, Clint Walker, 1976)
    1976 - The Cooling: Has the Next Ice Age Already Begun? [Book] (Lowell Ponte, 1976)
    1976 - Ice Age Predicted (Reading Eagle, January 22, 1976)
    1976 - Ice Age Predicted In Century (Bangor Daily News, January 22, 1976)
    1976 - It's Going To Get Chilly About 125 Years From Now (Sarasota Herald-Tribune, January 23, 1976)
    1976 - Worrisome CIA Report; Even U.S. Farms May be Hit by Cooling Trend (U.S. News & World Report, May 31, 1976)
    1977 - Blizzard - What Happens if it Doesn't Stop? [Book] (George Stone, 1977)
    1977 - The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age [Book] (The Impact Team, 1977)
    1977 - The Ice Age Cometh... (New York Magazine, January 31, 1977)
    1977 - The Big Freeze (Time Magazine, January 31, 1977)
    1977 - Has The Ice Age Cometh Again? (Calgary Herald, February 1, 1977)
    1977 - Space Mirrors Proposed To Prevent Crop Freezes (Bangor Daily News, February 7, 1977)
    1977 - We Will Freeze in the Dark (Capital Cities Communications Documentary, Host: Nancy Dickerson, April 12, 1977)
    1978 - Ice! [Book] (Arnold Federbush, 1978)
    1978 - The New Ice Age [Book] (Henry Gilfond, 1978)
    1978 - Winter May Be Colder Than In Last Ice Age (Deseret News, January 2, 1978)
    1978 - Current Winters Seen Colder Than In Ice Age‎ (The Telegraph, January 3, 1978)
    1978 - Winter Temperatures Colder Than Last Ice Age (Eugene Register-Guard, Eugene Register-Guard, January 3, 1978)
    1978 - International Team of Specialists Finds No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend in Northern Hemisphere (The New York Times, January 5, 1978)
    1978 - Little Ice Age: Severe winters and cool summers ahead (Calgary Herald, January 10, 1978)
    1978 - Winters Will Get Colder, 'we're Entering Little Ice Age' (Daily Record, January 10, 1978)
    1978 - Geologist Says Winters Getting Colder (Middlesboro Daily News, January 16, 1978)
    1978 - It's Going To Get Colder (Boca Raton News, ‎January 17, 1978‎)
    1978 - Another Ice Age? (Kentucky New Era, February 12, 1978)
    1978 - Another Ice Age? (Reading Eagle, ‎February 13, 1978‎)
    1978 - The Coming Ice Age (In Search Of TV Show, Season 2, Episode 23, Host: Leonard Nimoy, May 1978)
    1978 - An Ice Age Is Coming Weather Expert Fears (Milwaukee Sentinel, November 17, 1978)
    1979 - A Choice of Catastrophes - The Disasters That Threaten Our World [Book] (Isaac Asimov, 1979)
    1979 - The Sixth Winter [Book] (John R. Gribbin, 1979)
    1979 - The New Ice Age Cometh (The Age, January 16, 1979)
    1979 - Ice Age Building Up (Daily Record, June 5, 1979)
    1979 - Large Glacial Buildup Could Mean Ice Age (Daily Chronicle, June 5, 1979)
    1979 - Ice Age On Its Way (Lewiston Morning Tribune, June 7, 1979)
    1979 - Get Ready to Freeze (Daily Chronicle, October 12, 1979)
    1979 - New ice age almost upon us? (The Christian Science Monitor, November 14, 1979)

    * Note: A couple of the news stories are duplicates in different papers with slightly different titles, this is intentional to show that these types of stories were not isolated to a certain regional paper.

    Sources:

    BBC, Calgary Herald, Chicago Tribune, Fortune Magazine, Hartford Courant, International Wildlife (Magazine), Isaac Asimov, Los Angeles Times, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Montreal Gazette, Newsweek (Magazine), New Scientist (Magazine) - New York (Magazine), Popular Science (Magazine), Radio Times (Magazine), Sarasota Herald-Tribune, Science News (Magazine), St. Petersburg Times, Time Magazine, The Age, The Blade, The Boston Globe, The Christian Science Monitor, The New York Times, The Saturday Review (Magazine), The Sydney Morning Herald, The Washington Post, U.S. News & World Report

    Bangor Daily News (Maine), Beaver Country Times (Beaver, Pennsylvania), Boca Raton News (Boca Raton, Florida), Daily Chronicle (Spokane, Washington), Daily Record (Ellensburg, Washington), Deseret News (Utah), Eugene Register-Guard (Eugene, Oregon), Harlan Daily Enterprise (Kentucky), Kentucky New Era (Hopkinsville, Kentucky), Lewiston Evening Journal (Lewiston, Maine), Lewiston Morning Tribune (Idaho), Ludington Daily News (Ludington, Michigan), Middlesboro Daily News (Kentucky), Pittsburgh Press (Pittsburg, Pennsylvania), Reading Eagle (Reading, Pennsylvania), Sumter Daily Item (Sumter, South Carolina), The Argus-Press (Owosso, Michigan), The Canberra Times (Canberra, Australia), The Bryan Times (Bryan, Ohio), The Daily Sentinel (Ohio), The Day (New London, Connecticut), The Free-Lance Star (Fredericksburg, Virginia), The Ledger (Florida), The Portsmouth Times (Ohio), The Press-Courier (Oxnard, California), The Robesonian (Lumberton, North Carolina), The Schenectady Gazette (Schenectady, New York), The Southeast Missourian (Missouri), The Spartanburg Herald (Spartanburg, South Carolina), The Sun (Vancouver, Canada), The Telegraph (Nashua, New Hampshire), The Windsor Star (Windsor, Canada), Times Daily (Florence, Alabama), Tri City Herald (Kennewick, Washington), Youngstown Vindicator (Youngstown, Ohio)

    Hypocrisy:

    You ironically find one of the most outspoken supporters of modern day Al Gore style global warming alarmism was promoting global cooling in the 1970s, the late Dr. Steven Schneider;

    Update 1:

    From the BBC documentary 'The Weather Machine' on November 20, 1974.

    "The ice age is due now anytime" - Professor George Kukla, Columbia University, 1974

    Update 2:

    From the CBS Evening News on September 11, 1972.

    "Professor Hubert Lamb says that a new ice age is creeping over the northern hemisphere."

    - 'The Most Trusted Man in America', Peabody Award Winner Walter Cronkite, 1972

    Update 3:

    From the ABC Evening News on January 18, 1977; January 11, 1978 and February 8, 1978.

    "There's a theory advanced by climatologists that the last two years of battering by winter means that an ice age is returning to the Earth with glaciers down to the Mason-Dixon line and freezing temperatures south of that."

    - Rhodes Scholar and 'Murrow Boy' Howard K. Smith, 1978
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    Last edited by Jichard; 09-26-2015, 08:57 PM.
    "Instead, we argue, it is necessary to shift the debate from the subject under consideration, instead exposing to public scrutiny the tactics they [denialists] employ and identifying them publicly for what they are."

  • #2
    Conservatives at it again...

    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    From around 1970 (earth day)

    [...]

    And, my all time favorite:

    If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.
    "Instead, we argue, it is necessary to shift the debate from the subject under consideration, instead exposing to public scrutiny the tactics they [denialists] employ and identifying them publicly for what they are."

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Jichard View Post
      Conservatives at it again...
      Like I said.....

      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      I mean, there's one guy on here who's like a Jihadist when it comes to Global Warming - it's like, if you don't convert, he'll kill you or something!
      Maybe Jichard means "Climate Jihadist" in Arabic!
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        Like I said.....



        Maybe Jichard means "Climate Jihadist" in Arabic!
        That's nice, Cow.

        Let me know when you have something intelligent to say, besides repeating whatever the usual conservaive talking points are. I'm sure if you try really hard, you can make up a 9/11 joke that you'll find funny. Maybe a Holocaust joke as well. Anything other than addressing than addressing the false conservative talking points you parrot.
        "Instead, we argue, it is necessary to shift the debate from the subject under consideration, instead exposing to public scrutiny the tactics they [denialists] employ and identifying them publicly for what they are."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jichard View Post
          That's nice, Cow.
          Thanks!
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            Like I said.....

            Maybe Jichard means "Climate Jihadist" in Arabic!
            It could mean, "village idiot" too.
            "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
            GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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            • #7
              Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
              It could mean, "village idiot" too.
              Oh look, another troll who can't discuss science sensibly. You and Cow Poke should get along quite well.

              Make sure you both drink your prune juice, so that you don't get too grumpy. I know the elderly need that sometimes.

              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              How bout NOT being such a lazy slob and quit misusing the quote function. I didn't say that. Another case where Jichard proves what a jackass he is.
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post


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              I love it when he says this!

              Why are liberals always so GRUMPY!!!!!
              "Instead, we argue, it is necessary to shift the debate from the subject under consideration, instead exposing to public scrutiny the tactics they [denialists] employ and identifying them publicly for what they are."

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              • #8
                Unsubscribing. Have fun!
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jichard View Post
                  Oh look, another troll who can't discuss science sensibly. You and Cow Poke should get along quite well.
                  Sorry JerkTard, I'll discuss science with somebody that actually will discuss it without being a complete a total jerk.

                  Make sure you both drink your prune juice, so that you don't get too grumpy. I know the elderly need that sometimes.


                  Sweety, I'm in my early 30's and can run a 5k, no problem (around 30 minutes, on average). I'm in quite good shape and far from 'old'. I'd be worried about you though. Trolling internet forums all day sure can't be healthy.
                  "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                  GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                    Sorry JerkTard, I'll discuss science with somebody that actually will discuss it without being a complete a total jerk.
                    ...says the person who calls people morons, jackasses, and so on. The irony is precious.

                    And contradicting yourself is a bad sign, troll.
                    Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                    Go ahead JerkTard, what did the study say? Do you have any links to anything to prove otherwise or do you just scream "WAAA LIAR!!!!" because you're too stupid to refute a word anybody says?




                    Sweety, I'm in my early 30's and can run a 5k, no problem (around 30 minutes, on average). I'm in quite good shape and far from 'old'. I'd be worried about you though. Trolling internet forums all day sure can't be healthy.
                    All day? Pretty sure you're on the forums more often than I am. :)
                    "Instead, we argue, it is necessary to shift the debate from the subject under consideration, instead exposing to public scrutiny the tactics they [denialists] employ and identifying them publicly for what they are."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      Unsubscribing. Have fun!
                      Bye troll.
                      "Instead, we argue, it is necessary to shift the debate from the subject under consideration, instead exposing to public scrutiny the tactics they [denialists] employ and identifying them publicly for what they are."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jichard View Post
                        ...says the person who calls people morons, jackasses, and so on. The irony is precious.

                        And contradicting yourself is a bad sign, troll.
                        That's because you deserve it because you can't show those who don't agree with you any sort of respect.

                        All day? Pretty sure you're on the forums more often than I am. :)
                        I haven't been on here hardly at all, all week (this is the first time I've been on here for more than 30 minutes, all week). Hey though, if that makes you feel better, go for it. Now what is your 5k run time or is trolling all you're capable of doing?
                        "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                        GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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