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    What does it matter if what you do not believe happens to be true over against what you actually believe happens not to be true?
    . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

  • #2
    Originally posted by 37818 View Post
    What does it matter if what you do not believe happens to be true over against what you actually believe happens not to be true?
    Confusing questions to begin with,and need clarification. As far as I can see from the questions there is not difference. Truth is indeed a problematic claim.

    The truth of 'belief' and whether it is true or not remains a subjective issue without objective evidence.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
      Confusing questions to begin with,and need clarification. As far as I can see from the questions there is not difference. Truth is indeed a problematic claim.

      The truth of 'belief' and whether it is true or not remains a subjective issue without objective evidence.
      The question. What you do not believe to be true is what is actually true, and what you believe to be true is actually false, what does it matter?
      . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

      . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

      Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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      • #4
        Originally posted by 37818 View Post
        The question. What you do not believe to be true is what is actually true, and what you believe to be true is actually false, what does it matter?
        It is not clear what is the point here. The two questions are equivalent.
        Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
        Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
        But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

        go with the flow the river knows . . .

        Frank

        I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
          It is not clear what is the point here. The two questions are equivalent.
          Ok, forget the second part of the question.

          What does it matter, if you do not believe something that is true? (Of course this is going to depend on what is not believed.)
          . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

          . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

          Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 37818 View Post
            Ok, forget the second part of the question.

            What does it matter, if you do not believe something that is true? (Of course this is going to depend on what is not believed.)
            If it doesn't matter to you, then it doesn't matter.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by JimL View Post
              If it doesn't matter to you, then it doesn't matter.
              I never said it does not matter. I ask the question, what does it matter if you do not believe something thst is true?
              . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

              . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

              Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                I never said it does not matter. I ask the question, what does it matter if you do not believe something thst is true?
                And I answered you. It doesn't matter, unless it does, to you. Does it matter to you if you believe something which isn't true?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JimL View Post
                  And I answered you. It doesn't matter, unless it does, to you.
                  Why should it matter to you if you do not believe in anything regardless if it is true or not? And why should anyone believe anything if it did not matter even if it were true?

                  Does it matter to you if you believe something which isn't true?
                  Yes. Why believe anything which is not true? Now the question is, what does it matter if one does not believe something which happens to be true? And why should anyone believe anything if it did not matter even if it were true?
                  . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                  . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                  Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                    Why should it matter to you if you do not believe in anything regardless if it is true or not? And why should anyone believe anything if it did not matter even if it were true?

                    Yes. Why believe anything which is not true? Now the question is, what does it matter if one does not believe something which happens to be true? And why should anyone believe anything if it did not matter even if it were true?
                    The question comes down to how you are using 'true' or 'truth.' Different religions claim their beliefs are to a certain degree 'true' and there is consequences for not believing them. The problem is there are diverse and conflicting claims for what is 'true' and how 'truth' is defined. The diverse conflicting claims and the consequences of the different religions remains anecdotal and subjective. What standard would you propose that one religion or belief system is true, and the consequences of not believing it is true over the many diverse conflicting other belief systems.

                    Is there any reason to believe objectively that any one of these diverse and conflicting claims 'truths' and the consequences of not believing is 'true,' No.

                    One the other hand concerning the the objective verifiable knowledge of science, which is consistent and predictable, there are consequences of rejecting the knowledge of science.
                    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                    go with the flow the river knows . . .

                    Frank

                    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                      What does it matter if what you do not believe happens to be true over against what you actually believe happens not to be true?
                      Is that before or after purple?
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        Is that before or after purple?
                        That depends if you are reading Matthew 27:28 or Mark 15:17.
                        . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                        . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                        Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                        • #13
                          If it is true that what you believe happens is not happening in the true sense of true then you will have to happen to unbelieve the true meaning of happening while the truth is believable. And that's the truth!

                          and it is purple. on Wednesdays.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            If it is true that what you believe happens is not happening in the true sense of true then you will have to happen to unbelieve the true meaning of happening while the truth is believable. And that's the truth!

                            and it is purple. on Wednesdays.
                            Naw, it was either Friday 14th or Thursday 15th but not in the same year.
                            . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                            . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                            Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                              Naw, it was either Friday 14th or Thursday 15th but not in the same year.
                              But green cats don't orbit on the weekends, unless you can verify the trees.

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