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    Exodus 6:3 - (5762)


    But My name 'Hashem' I was not known to them. Rashi: It is not written here "[ My name 'Hashem'] "lo Hodati" I did not make known [to them]" Rather [it says] "[ My name 'Hashem'] "lo Nodati" I was not known [ to them]." I was not recognized by them with My attribute of "keeping faith" by reason of which my name is called 'Hashem,' that I am faithful to substantiate my promise. For indeed I promised them but I have not [yet] fulfilled [my promise].

    This is a complex comment; Rashi is addressing two difficulties in our verse. We will our begin analysis by clarifying what he is saying.

    WHAT IS RASHI SAYING?

    Rashi differentiates between the meaning of two conjugations of the word "to know." The two are:

    1. 'lo Nodati' being the passive form, means "I was not known."

    2 'lo Hodati' being the active form, means "I did not make known."

    Rashi points out that, of these two, our verse says "I was not known."


    Dr. Meir Seidler

    Department of Jewish Philosophy
    I make Myself known to him in a vision

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    To Abraham, ". . . And He said unto him: 'I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.' . . ." -- Genesis 15:7.

    To Isaac, " . . . And the LORD appeared unto him the same night, and said: 'I am the God of Abraham thy father. Fear not, for I am with thee, and will bless thee, and multiply thy seed for My servant Abraham's sake.' And he builded an altar there, and called upon the name of the LORD, and pitched his tent there; and there Isaac's servants digged a well. . . ." -- Genesis 26:24-25.

    To Jacob, "(32:10) And Jacob said: 'O God of my father Abraham, and God of my father Isaac, O LORD, who saidst unto me: Return unto thy country, and to thy kindred, and I will do thee good; . . . " -- Genesis 32:9
    . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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    • #3
      teach me your ways so I may know you and continue to find favor with youThere Abram called on the name of the Lord.
      Last edited by Marta; 04-23-2016, 02:16 PM.

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      • #4
        Exodus 6:3, based on the evidence, should be understood interrogatively, for the negative particle לא

        ". . . and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name Jehovah I made Me not known to them." -- JPS.

        Reading it interrogatively, ". . . and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name Jehovah did I not make Me known to them?"

        The KJV, ". . . And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by [the name of] God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."

        Just add the question mark, ". . . And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by [the name of] God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them?"

        As JEHOVAH:
        Abraham, Genesis 12:7:8; 15:7,8.
        Isaac, Genesis 26:24,25.
        Jacob, Genesis 32:9.

        As God Almighty:
        Abraham, Genesis 17:1.
        Isaac,Genesis 28:3.
        Jacob, Genesis 35:10, 11.

        Notice the above references, by His Name first then latter by God Almighty.
        Last edited by 37818; 04-24-2016, 12:10 AM.
        . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

        . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

        Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Marta View Post
          Exodus 6:3 - (5762)


          But My name 'Hashem' I was not known to them. Rashi: It is not written here "[ My name 'Hashem'] "lo Hodati" I did not make known [to them]" Rather [it says] "[ My name 'Hashem'] "lo Nodati" I was not known [ to them]." I was not recognized by them with My attribute of "keeping faith" by reason of which my name is called 'Hashem,' that I am faithful to substantiate my promise. For indeed I promised them but I have not [yet] fulfilled [my promise].

          This is a complex comment; Rashi is addressing two difficulties in our verse. We will our begin analysis by clarifying what he is saying.

          WHAT IS RASHI SAYING?

          Rashi differentiates between the meaning of two conjugations of the word "to know." The two are:

          1. 'lo Nodati' being the passive form, means "I was not known."

          2 'lo Hodati' being the active form, means "I did not make known."

          Rashi points out that, of these two, our verse says "I was not known."
          Rashi said more:

          It is not written here that I did not make known to them, but that I was not known to them, in the sense that I was not recognized by them in terms of My attribute of keeping My word, by reason of which My name is called Y-H-W-H, indicating that I am certain to substantiate My promises, for I made promises to them but did not fulfill them [during their lifetime].

          i.e. he only becomes known as being redeemer , savior.

          Ex. 20:2, "I am the Lord your God who led you out of Egypt out of the house of bondage"

          http://www.chabad.org/holidays/passo...-four-cups.htm

          Elijah will announce the arrival of Moshiach, who will bring all Jews to Israel, for good.

          So only when the Messiah comes God's name will be fully known.

          Which must be the sense of John 1:18,

          No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the bosom of the father, he has made him known.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 37818 View Post
            Exodus 6:3, based on the evidence, should be understood interrogatively, for the negative particle לא

            ". . . and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name Jehovah I made Me not known to them." -- JPS.

            Reading it interrogatively, ". . . and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name Jehovah did I not make Me known to them?"

            The KJV, ". . . And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by [the name of] God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."

            Just add the question mark, ". . . And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by [the name of] God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them?"

            As JEHOVAH:
            Abraham, Genesis 12:7:8; 15:7,8.
            Isaac, Genesis 26:24,25.
            Jacob, Genesis 32:9.

            As God Almighty:
            Abraham, Genesis 17:1.
            Isaac,Genesis 28:3.
            Jacob, Genesis 35:10, 11.

            Notice the above references, by His Name first then latter by God Almighty.
            Yes, agree that he was known by other names in the Torah - however, and the point, is that these names were used by the prophets on how God was made known - to them.

            "I am the LORD; 3 and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty (El Shaddai), but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to them

            noting in the article:
            "but they had not yet experienced its realization "
            appearedmade myself known
            El Shaddai
            :


            El Shaddai (Hebrew: אל שדי‎, IPA: [el ʃaˈdːaj]) or just Shaddai is one of the names of the God of Israel. El Shaddai is conventionally translated as God Almighty but while the translation of El as "god" or "lord" in the Ugarit/Canaanite language is straightforward, the literal meaning of Shaddai is the subject of debate.

            The name appears 48 times in the Bible, seven times as "El Shaddai" (five times in Genesis, once in Exodus, and once in Ezekiel). It has been conjectured that El Shaddai was therefore the "god of Shaddai".

            The first occurrence of the name is in Genesis 17:1, "And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am El Shaddai; walk before me, and be thou perfect."

            **Yet another suggested meaning of "El Shaddai" is that it is composed of the Hebrew relative particle she- (Shin plus vowel segol followed by dagesh), or, as in this case, as sha- (Shin plus vowel patach followed by a dagesh).[11] The noun containing the dagesh is the Hebrew word dai meaning "enough, sufficient, sufficiency".[12] This is the same word used in the Passover Haggadah, Dayeinu, which means "It would have been enough for us." The song Dayeinu celebrates the various miracles God performed while liberating the Israelites from Egyptian servitude.[13] The Talmud explains it this way, but says that "Shaddai" stands for ".[14]***Wikipedia

            Thought:

            D'var Torah: Vayechi



            Read this article further: Bar-Ilan University's Parashat Hashavua Study Center
            Last edited by Marta; 04-25-2016, 02:49 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Geert van den Bos View Post
              Rashi said more:




              i.e. he only becomes known as being redeemer , savior.

              Ex. 20:2, "I am the Lord your God who led you out of Egypt out of the house of bondage"

              http://www.chabad.org/holidays/passo...-four-cups.htm




              So only when the Messiah comes God's name will be fully known.

              Which must be the sense of John 1:18,

              No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the bosom of the father, he has made him known.
              John 1? John 17!

              3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sentI have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.


              Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one. 12 While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Geert van den Bos View Post

                So only when the Messiah comes God's name will be fully known.

                Which must be the sense of John 1:18,

                No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the bosom of the father, he has made him known.
                does and fulfills1The Lord had said in a vision the Lord appeared to him God called to him

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                • #9
                  All appearances of the LORD God in the OT were none other than the preincarnate Jesus Christ (John 1:18; John 8:56; John 12:41 - Isaiah 6:5).
                  . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                  . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                  Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                  • #10
                    To appear is a form of "raah"= to see.

                    Genesis 17:1, "vayeira hashem el avram" = and the Lord appeared to Abram.

                    Make known is a form of "yada" = to know.

                    So you might think there is a connection between the fruit of the tree of knowledge and the name of God.

                    Like if profanizing of the name is like the eating of the forbidden fruit.

                    John 17:6,

                    Ἐφανέρωσά σου τὸ ὄνομα τοῖς ἀνθρώποις οὓς ἔδωκάς μοι ἐκ τοῦ κόσμου.

                    φανερόω = make public

                    but not for all people,

                    only to those that were given to him out of the world.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Geert van den Bos View Post
                      To appear is a form of "raah"= to see.

                      Genesis 17:1, "vayeira hashem el avram" = and the Lord appeared to Abram.

                      Make known is a form of "yada" = to know.

                      So you might think there is a connection between the fruit of the tree of knowledge and the name of God.

                      Like if profanizing of the name is like the eating of the forbidden fruit.

                      John 17:6,

                      Ἐφανέρωσά σου τὸ ὄνομα τοῖς ἀνθρώποις οὓς ἔδωκάς μοι ἐκ τοῦ κόσμου.

                      φανερόω = make public

                      but not for all people,

                      only to those that were given to him out of the world.
                      Comment to, "only to those that were given to him out of the world". In the same flex - that God appeared or made himself known to the patriarchs and made himself "known as" El Shaddai - "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by [the name of] God Almighty".
                      However, and when reading the beginning of John 17, the prayer applies to plural and not designated to specific few,"3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you ":

                      The 70 are to cure the sick and spread the same message that Jesus has been proclaiming. (Jesus Sends 70 Disciples to PreachVa'eira(Exodus 6:2-9:35)

                      An Answer: If Hashem had said "I did not make My name known" it would have been untrue, since He did tell Abraham and Jacob this Divine name. Rather, what it says here is " I was not known by My name" - this implies the lack of a subjective, personal understanding of the significance of this name by Abraham or Jacob.
                      Last edited by Marta; 04-27-2016, 11:51 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Marta View Post
                        Comment to, "only to those that were given to him out of the world". In the same flex - that God appeared or made himself known to the patriarchs and made himself "known as" El Shaddai - "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by [the name of] God Almighty".
                        .
                        Exodus 6:3 doesn't say that he (the Lord) made himself known as El Shadai, but that he (the Lord) appeared as El Shadai

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Geert van den Bos View Post
                          Exodus 6:3 doesn't say that he (the Lord) made himself known as El Shadai, but that he (the Lord) appeared as El Shadai
                          Didn't indicate the name El Shaddai was used in Exodus - but that it had been revealed during Exodus, '"I am the LORD; 3 and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty (El Shaddai), but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to themIsaiah 6:9-10

                          as it says, " the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Marta View Post
                            Didn't indicate the name El Shaddai was used in Exodus - but that it had been revealed during Exodus, '"I am the LORD; 3 and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty (El Shaddai), but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to them
                            "The name Lord" was revealed during Exodus

                            The exodus being only complete with the entering of the Holy Land = kingdom of God.




                            Originally posted by Marta View Post
                            as it says, " the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea"
                            glory = "kavod"

                            I thought it be related to gravitation = "koach hakoved"

                            http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/...ted-first-time
                            Gravitational waves, Einstein's ripples in spacetime, spotted for first time

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Geert van den Bos View Post
                              "The name Lord" was revealed during Exodus
                              ". . . And he said unto him, I [am] the LORD . . . " -- Genesis 15:7.
                              . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                              . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                              Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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