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    IG's FISA Probe May Hamper Dems' Impeachment Plans

    IG's FISA Probe May Hamper Dems' Impeachment Plans


    Having beaten the COLLUSION horse to death, I thought it would be good to look at the FISA Probe.

    This thread is NOT an "I hate Trump" thread, so please leave that elsewhere.
    This thread is NOT a rehash of the whole COLLUSION / OBSTRUCTION thing - there are plenty of places to spew forth ignorance on that.

    This is specifically about the FISA requests, and the IG probe (or other investigations) into same.

    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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  • #2
    I posted this in another thread, but it seems more relevant here...

    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    So how did it all start? Pull quote from a much longer analysis:

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    There is little doubt the FISA-702(16)(17) database system was used by Obama-era officials, from 2012 through April 2016, as a way to spy on their political opposition. Quite simply there is no other intellectually honest explanation for the scale and volume of database abuse that was taking place. [...]

    Everything after March 9th, 2016, was done to cover up the weaponization of the FISA database. Spygate, Russia-Gate, the Steele Dossier, and even the 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (drawn from the dossier and signed by the above) were needed to create a cover-story and protect themselves from discovery of this four year weaponization, political surveillance and unlawful spying. Even the appointment of Robert Mueller as special counsel makes sense; he was FBI Director when this began.

    ----------

    This isn't speculation or conspiracy theorizing but factual reporting based on hard evidence. I suggest folks read the whole thing.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...lance-program/
    The rabbit hole is a lot deeper than most people realize.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God

    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • #3
      I find it funny that the RCP article says "he seems intensely focused on undermining the dossier and credibility of Christopher Steele"... it's been thoroughly debunked and Steele has been shown to have fabricated it out of thin air. How can you undermine anything that already isn't credible at all?
      That's what
      - She

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      - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
        I find it funny that the RCP article says "he seems intensely focused on undermining the dossier and credibility of Christopher Steele"... it's been thoroughly debunked and Steele has been shown to have fabricated it out of thin air. How can you undermine anything that already isn't credible at all?
        That, too!
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #5
          Then there is James Comey's mysterious unpaid "special government employee" who was given the keys to the NSA database kingdom and little if any oversight.

          Source: The Last Refuge

          https://theconservativetreehouse.com...aniel-richman/

          © Copyright Original Source


          The big questions are what was he researching, for what purpose, and who did he pass the information on to?
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God

          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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          • #6
            Well, despite President Trump shooting up signal flares and saying, "Find out how this started!" it seems that Congressional Republicans would rather play right into the hands of the Deep State...

            Source: Chaff and Countermeasures – The DC Outrage Traps…

            https://theconservativetreehouse.com...outrage-traps/

            © Copyright Original Source

            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God

            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
              Well, despite President Trump shooting up signal flares and saying, "Find out how this started!" it seems that Congressional Republicans would rather play right into the hands of the Deep State...

              Source: Chaff and Countermeasures – The DC Outrage Traps…

              https://theconservativetreehouse.com...outrage-traps/

              © Copyright Original Source

              Most of the Republican Party, especially the leadership, is part of the "Deep State."

              I'm always still in trouble again

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                I find it funny that the RCP article says "he seems intensely focused on undermining the dossier and credibility of Christopher Steele"... it's been thoroughly debunked and Steele has been shown to have fabricated it out of thin air. How can you undermine anything that already isn't credible at all?
                Isn't that sort of like being in a hole and continuing to dig ... through the magma?
                1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                but that won't prevent others from
                taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                of the right to call yourself Christian.
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                • #9
                  Proving once again that the sundance from the Last Refuge is ahead of the curve...

                  Source: Breitbart

                  https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...rump-campaign/

                  © Copyright Original Source


                  He's waving the shiny object that will people from asking the BIG question, "How did it start?"
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God

                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • #10
                    I remember back when JimL and Tassman first posted about the Steele Dossier. It was so patently fake and ridiculous. "Golden Showers?"

                    I can't see any legitimate way the FBI could have believed such nonsense, nor then go and try to use that as a basis for a FISA warrant.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      I remember back when JimL and Tassman first posted about the Steele Dossier. It was so patently fake and ridiculous. "Golden Showers?"

                      I can't see any legitimate way the FBI could have believed such nonsense, nor then go and try to use that as a basis for a FISA warrant.
                      I work with a video editor who uses what he calls the "hairy arm" technique to keep clients happy. It's when you leave a really obvious "mistake" in the finished video -- such as someone's hairy arm encroaching into a shot -- so that the client will jump on it, pat themselves on the back for catching something the professionals missed, and then they're less likely to nitpick the less obvious and inconsequential stuff.

                      I wonder if that's what the "golden showers" stuff was all about in the Steele dossier? Give people something really salacious to focus on so they're less likely to take a closer look?
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God

                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                        I find it funny that the RCP article says "he seems intensely focused on undermining the dossier and credibility of Christopher Steele"... it's been thoroughly debunked and Steele has been shown to have fabricated it out of thin air. How can you undermine anything that already isn't credible at all?
                        That simply is not true. The dossier itself has been shown to be valid on most of the data found therein for which evidence exists. While that can't be used to say the other elements are 'true', it also can't be claimed that its content is 'made up'.


                        Jim
                        My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                        If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                        This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          I remember back when JimL and Tassman first posted about the Steele Dossier. It was so patently fake and ridiculous. "Golden Showers?"

                          I can't see any legitimate way the FBI could have believed such nonsense, nor then go and try to use that as a basis for a FISA warrant.
                          What evidence do you have the dossier is 'fake'. What elements contained within it have been shown to be false by the evidence itself. From my reading so far, the elements in the dossier for which evidence exists have been shown to be factual.

                          Jim
                          My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                          If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                          This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                            What evidence do you have the dossier is 'fake'. What elements contained within it have been shown to be false by the evidence itself. From my reading so far, the elements in the dossier for which evidence exists have been shown to be factual.

                            Jim
                            Some parts of the dossier have been verified, but very little, and it's all inconsequential stuff that has nothing to do with Trump, his associates, or his campaign.
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God

                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                              What evidence do you have the dossier is 'fake'. What elements contained within it have been shown to be false by the evidence itself. From my reading so far, the elements in the dossier for which evidence exists have been shown to be factual.

                              Jim
                              If they were factual then Trump would be in jail Jim. I can't think of any elements that rang true. I haven't read the thing in over 2 years. I do recall reading it and thinking it read like National Enquirer article or something and either the person writing it was liar or he was an idiot that believed stuff fed to him by Russian spies.

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