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    4) Surah 5.v116---is part of a story beginning in...

    4) Surah 5.v116---is part of a story beginning in 111 about the disciples of Jesus, son of Mary. The disciples declared they had faith but then asked for a "sign"---a table set with food. Jesus, son...
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    re: above points... 1) The choice to believe or...

    re: above points...
    1) The choice to believe or not believe is the responsibility of the person and while I am willing to engage in conversations about Islam/Quran...any decisions/choices that...
  3. There may be many different opinions (...and that...

    There may be many different opinions (...and that is good)
    60% of the global Muslim population is in the Eastern lands...those of us who were aware of the holocaust, considered it a European...
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    ...so...you are saying Jews/Christians call...

    ...so...you are saying Jews/Christians call someone a dog and its wisdom but if Muslims do so its hate speech? why?
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    Dan makes an interesting point here.... 1) The...

    Dan makes an interesting point here....

    1) The Islamic paradigm does not have a dichotomy of good/bad---rather morality/ethics is understood at 5 levels
    a) Permissible (Halal)
    b)...
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    I do not think it is hate speech---this was an...

    I do not think it is hate speech---this was an assumption made by Dan when he quoted similar verses out of context.
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    The Bible is a very big book and comparatively,...

    The Bible is a very big book and comparatively, the Quran is a much thinner book. As a Muslim...I have read the Quran many times---so quoting Quranic verses out of context does not work with me. I...
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    The Quran advices humanity on many subjects...

    The Quran advices humanity on many subjects including the principles of speech---its limits and range.
    Surah 8---mentioned above---deals with wartime issues arising from the Battle of Badr. There...
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    According to the values cherished by the "West"...

    According to the values cherished by the "West" is that of "freedom" and among them is the concept of Freedom of speech. Some say hate speech must be protected as part of " Freedom of speech". Others...
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    I agree about the problem of...

    I agree about the problem of translation---"Deliveryman" does not sound grand either in English or Japanese---and the Japanese language does have this wonderful adaptability of coining new words...
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    To rephrase---How did the Arabic term "ridda"...

    To rephrase---How did the Arabic term "ridda" become translated into english as "apostacy"? ---because the term "national security" was not coined at that time?....
    Words come with cultural baggage...
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    Yr article link of Dr Abdulla Saeed---seems to be...

    Yr article link of Dr Abdulla Saeed---seems to be in support of my position---a) mistransalation of the concept of apostacy, (irtidad/riddad, murtad) b) No grounds in Quran, c) No grounds in...
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    Correction---Battle of Uhud was approx 625CE ...

    Correction---Battle of Uhud was approx 625CE

    ref--yr post #62
    There are 2 points that are interesting 1) Human free-will vs Divine power. 2) ahadith.

    1) Human free-will/Divine will
    The East...
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    The above is somewhat inaccurate. ...

    The above is somewhat inaccurate.

    Authority---Islam is not an "organized" religion like that of the Anglican Church or the Catholic Church. An "Authority"/Scholar is recognized on the basis of...
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    Abuse of power can occur when institutions and...

    Abuse of power can occur when institutions and systems are used to oppress or harass a group of people. When discrimination and harassment is social/by the society---it is prejudice.
    In my...
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    My position remains that any person has the right...

    My position remains that any person has the right to enter or leave a religion/religio-philosophy regardless of the merits of their justification.

    Comparative history---Ok, we can give it a rest. ...
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    You have been busy---that is a lot of posts and...

    You have been busy---that is a lot of posts and some of your points are interesting.

    Christianity and State---If u insist that Jesus Christ (pbuh) taught a particular form of governance or...
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    The history of the West has its own trajectory...

    The history of the West has its own trajectory and this should not be applied to those of the Non-Western geographical regions who themselves have their own historical trajectories.

    Since the time...
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    The underlined above---The modern world has a...

    The underlined above---The modern world has a conceptual division between state and religion that did not exist in pre-modern history---either Christian or Muslim. However, in Islamic...
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    I mentioned Legal Pluralism before---Sharia is...

    I mentioned Legal Pluralism before---Sharia is not singular but pluralistic. Classical Sharia has 5 major schools and possibly other minor ones---post colonial laws are often hybrids of Islamic and...
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    These claims (underlined above) are inaccurate....

    These claims (underlined above) are inaccurate.
    The Quran has a Surah 109 called al-Kafirun which says "to you is your way and to me is mine". The Quran also has verses that discourage conversion by...
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    I only brought out Christian history because of...

    I only brought out Christian history because of your claims about Christianity.

    Claims about "apostacy" are incorrect insofar as pre-colonial laws are concerned. As to Christian laws, canon laws...
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    Video of Sameer----at about 3:30 min he says...

    Video of Sameer----at about 3:30 min he says Quran uses Jewish stories
    3:40 min he says Quran has story of Dul-Qurnain
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    From what I have heard---many Muslim youth in war...

    From what I have heard---many Muslim youth in war torn areas such as Syria, Iraq, Af-pak ...etc are questioning if there is a God because of the atrocities and crimes against humanity they have...
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    Some Bible verses about not adding to the word of...

    Some Bible verses about not adding to the word of God

    1) Deuteronomy 4:2 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
    You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that...
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