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  1. But how have I claimed he made conclusions he did...

    But how have I claimed he made conclusions he did not make?

    Blessings,
    Lee
  2. Well, I think it is: But all of the above is...

    Well, I think it is:

    But all of the above is minor compared to Szostak’s showing that in a single step, heat and light can make a compound that resembles a dehydrated nucleotide .... There are so...
  3. Well, a 10-step process...

    Well, a 10-step process is not well-illustrated by a single arrow!

    Blessings,
    Lee
  4. He is claiming that RNA nucleotides can be...

    He is claiming that RNA nucleotides can be formed, with his diagram indicating one simple step.


    One letter was in a journal for researchers, along with a letter on his site.


    But what does...
  5. Thanks for the references, now this paper...

    Thanks for the references, now this paper by Szostak gives a reference where we find:

    In this synthesis (Fig. 1a, bold, blue arrows), the C2 sugar glycolaldehyde 1 undergoes phosphate-catalysed...
  6. Well, the sugars have to show more detail,...

    Well, the sugars have to show more detail, particularly their chirality, they need to be homochiral (right-handed for life as we know it). Then the diagram as shown is too simple, it leaves out steps...
  7. Surely the meaning is evident, that Szostak left...

    Surely the meaning is evident, that Szostak left out steps in his explanation of how he synthesized that molecule, and calling it an RNA nucleotide is incorrect. His description is misleading,...
  8. But I posted his argument in the opening post: ...

    But I posted his argument in the opening post:




    Well, I think Tour's arguments are historically good, I even posted a defense from an attack that no one has responded to:

    But all of the...
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    Though Evolution News claims they are overstating...

    Though Evolution News claims they are overstating their case:

    This does not mean that Ikaria could not be a potential bilaterian worm, but the case is far from established. Even if the attribution...
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    I should have said "damaging", I misspoke. ...

    I should have said "damaging", I misspoke.

    Blessings,
    Lee
  11. Well, Merriam-Webster defines it...

    Well, Merriam-Webster defines it as follows (definition 2): "ad hominem: marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made."

    Blessings,
    Lee
  12. When there are people who have the disease but...

    When there are people who have the disease but are not diagnosed, the CFR will overestimate the true risk of death.
    I don't think this is true, the question is whether we have a representative...
  13. Well, take me back to that other thread and...

    Well, take me back to that other thread and correct my misunderstandings, then. Let's discuss Tour's debate in this thread, though.

    Blessings,
    Lee
  14. What points have you made, though? Aside from ad...

    What points have you made, though? Aside from ad hominems, which don't count as discussion.

    Blessings,
    Lee
  15. But you haven't made any points, would you please...

    But you haven't made any points, would you please respond to what I quoted from James Tour?

    Blessings,
    Lee
  16. I'm talking about talks and books addressed to...

    I'm talking about talks and books addressed to the general public, and I do have an idea what the arguments are. Did you watch the debate, and do you have a comment on it?

    Blessings,
    Lee
  17. Tour is not saying abiogenesis cannot happen, he...

    Tour is not saying abiogenesis cannot happen, he does say the problem is hard, which I think is generally acknowledged. But he has published articles discussing these issues with biologists.
    ...
  18. I gather that he has indeed talked to...

    I gather that he has indeed talked to origin-of-life researchers, Jack Szostak for one.


    Yes, and we can discuss macroevolution elsewhere.

    Blessings,
    Lee
  19. Can you please not argue by posting a link? TWeb...

    Can you please not argue by posting a link? TWeb frowns on that. But here is the response to West by James Tour. Since the kerfuffle about sugars and cyanide derivatives is admittedly minor, here is...
  20. No, he's saying that origin-of-life researchers...

    No, he's saying that origin-of-life researchers are vastly inflating their claims.


    No, he is not arguing for the negative, he is not saying how life originated, he is only saying we don't know....
  21. He has talked about biologists' papers and...

    He has talked about biologists' papers and points, and has presumably talked with biologists, and this is the first biologist who was willing to discuss origin-of-life with him.

    Blessings,
    Lee
  22. I know Tour is not a proponent of ID...

    I know Tour is not a proponent of ID, and do you have a reference to this meeting proposal? But Tour is mainly vocal about origin-of-life questions, not evolution. Would you have something to say...
  23. No, Tour is not arguing from ignorance, he's...

    No, Tour is not arguing from ignorance, he's saying we're ignorant! That the origin-of-life researchers are making claims that are not justified.

    Blessings,
    Lee
  24. James Tour gets to debate origin-of-life chemist!

    From this article, which has a link to the YouTube debate with origin-of-life chemist Lee Cronin. A couple of quotes from James Tour:

    "There’s things that look like they’re living, but there’s no...
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    Well, I know a little, changes in them would tend...

    Well, I know a little, changes in them would tend to interfere with their function of up- or down-regulating production of the gene they apply to, so changes to them would not change the gene, and...
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