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  1. Huh. I figured that the Silver Surfer had...

    Huh. I figured that the Silver Surfer had interacted with the Living Tribunal a few times before that, but maybe not. Maybe he was more a Dr. Strange type character. Lord Chaos and Lord Order, Death,...
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    Yes, I know that that the common dating is 4 B.C....

    Yes, I know that that the common dating is 4 B.C. As I pointed out previously, some scholars suggest a 1 B.C dating instead. Would you like me to send those to you via PM?
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    This is the critique I was waiting for, because...

    This is the critique I was waiting for, because this is the one that Heiser directly addresses in the podcast. Heiser points to scholarship that posits a 1 B.C. date for the death of Herod rather...
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    But as Heiser points out, that isn't the only...

    But as Heiser points out, that isn't the only date that Jupiter comes into conjunction with Regulus within the window that we'd expect Jesus to be born,


    "Jupiter's first conjunction with...
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    :huh: Which argument are you referring to? If...

    :huh: Which argument are you referring to? If you're referring to the Magi knowing Micah 5:2, I think the only "argument" Heiser is making is a deductive one, a sort of flippant one at that since he...
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    Oh wow! That's fantastic. Tell your son I said...

    Oh wow! That's fantastic. Tell your son I said thanks!
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    Awesome! Yeah, I really like that book, and I'm...

    Awesome! Yeah, I really like that book, and I'm kicking myself that I can't find it. It's so helpful.
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    I really wish I could find that book. But yes, I...

    I really wish I could find that book. But yes, I believe that's one view. Grant Osborne and Robert Mounce in their commentaries on Revelation suggest that this all borrows heavily from OT motifs,...
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    The sun isn't the star of Bethlehem, if that's...

    The sun isn't the star of Bethlehem, if that's what you're getting at. Heiser believes that the star of Bethelehem was "Jupiter in its retrograde motion." Again from the transcript of the podcast,
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    I don't think it's an accurate assessment to say...

    I don't think it's an accurate assessment to say that the book of Revelation only paints a picture of things to come. Revelation merely means that these were the things revealed to John, and there...
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    If they were looking for the king of the Jews on...

    If they were looking for the king of the Jews on a specific date, it would seem they would need to know something from scripture. And as Heiser points out, even if they weren't familiar with...
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    For a visual, I thought these might be helpful. ...

    For a visual, I thought these might be helpful.

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    I don't know, but I imagine the reply would be...

    I don't know, but I imagine the reply would be something like "John wasn't attempting to encode anything." The date of the birth of Jesus in the early church was not nearly as significant as the date...
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    I think his point was that foreign astrologers...

    I think his point was that foreign astrologers knew to go to Judea (and Jerusalem near Bethlehem) to find the "king of the Jews" to begin with, even if they needed help getting to Bethlehem...
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    I totally understand using caution. For the...

    I totally understand using caution. For the record, on top of HATING Bible Code stuff, Heiser points out that this has absolutely NOTHING to do with future prophecy. This is what he wrote on Sep 11,...
  16. He didn't miss your point. And,

    He didn't miss your point. And,
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    I'm open to either view. This view is the one...

    I'm open to either view. This view is the one that the scholars I read usually support, but the supplanting one makes sense to me as well (wouldn't be the first time).



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    Correct. I was curious about the context. I don't...

    Correct. I was curious about the context. I don't think that undermines my point at all.



    Yes, I noticed that and found his remark equally odd. In my experience it's relatively common to find...
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    I'm not sure if I can, but I'm going to attempt...

    I'm not sure if I can, but I'm going to attempt to summarize this.

    A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her...
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    Knowing the source for where complex issues are...

    Knowing the source for where complex issues are discussed is perfectly relevant. We often see, for instance, pop science articles that tend to go off into the bushes in order to weave a sensational...
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    Oh wow. Was it just the date itself, or did they...

    Oh wow. Was it just the date itself, or did they mention Dr. Heiser?
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    Heiser is strongly against Bible code nonsense,...

    Heiser is strongly against Bible code nonsense, which makes me a little more confident that this is a bit more legit than your average astrological garbage, but yeah, I get what you're saying. I...
  23. Hmm. Looking through some of those, while quite a...

    Hmm. Looking through some of those, while quite a bit of it is nonsense, some of it doesn't seem that far off from orthodox teaching. Like some of the talk about equating humanity and divinity sounds...
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    I think it's a perfectly reasonable approach to...

    I think it's a perfectly reasonable approach to take. Often times what seems strange to non-Christians isn't so strange to Christians within a certain context. Even on Christian websites, it's not...
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    September 11th: Happy Birthday Jesus?

    Many many years ago, as a teen growing up in a cult called the The Way Ministry, the Way had this peculiar belief that December 25th wasn't the day that Jesus was born, rather, he was likely born on...
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