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    None of the koranic verses I quoted are out of...

    None of the koranic verses I quoted are out of context, siam. U have not shown them to be, apart from making some bald claims.

    Indeed the Koran is practically full of ayats and passages that...
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    With the orthodox and original sources of islam...

    With the orthodox and original sources of islam giving and exposing rather damning accounts of how Islam's prophet got his "revelations", it's no wonder that many muslims and islamic missionaries...
  3. Yes, they may have even copied Jesus unique title...

    Yes, they may have even copied Jesus unique title as the "Messiah", but islam has lost its Old Testament meaning and made that title practically null and void, tragically for our muslim friends.
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    Ego, Siam? Frankly, ego has nothing to do with...

    Ego, Siam? Frankly, ego has nothing to do with it. Surah 18/4 specifically states that one of Muhamed's mission was to "warn those who say that 'God has begotten a Son'." Several surahs denounce any...
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    You also claim that Muhammad's revelations were...

    You also claim that Muhammad's revelations were public knowledge and could be seen or heard by third parties around him at the time.

    But the orthodox islamic sources tell us otherwise.

    We learn...
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    Yes, "Clinging to wild ideas" is actually...

    Yes, "Clinging to wild ideas" is actually perfectly appropriate to describe followers of islam, like yourself Siam.

    By basing your beliefs on presumptions and presuppositions that cannot stand the...
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    Your rejection of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ...

    Your rejection of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ or Isa al-Masih does not by a long shot make it into a non-fact either. Just another unproven, wild idea you cling to.

    There are more than ample...
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    Yes, and I understand your use of the term...

    Yes, and I understand your use of the term "complicated" to mean "doesn't make sense" or "unintelligible".

    Your insinuations against the Gospel and Christ's teachings are clearly presuppositional...
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    It is very clear to all now, siam, that muslims...

    It is very clear to all now, siam, that muslims like you obviously do not believe in Islam because of the facts, but despite of the "facts" not being facts and are actually baseless concepts, ideas...
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    Of course I do not believe in ur "prophet"...

    Of course I do not believe in ur "prophet" muhamed, I actually consider him a blatant & ruthless false prophet who misled millions of unsuspecting victims away from the truth.

    If Jesus Christ did...
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    Your continual whining and complaining about the...

    Your continual whining and complaining about the so-called prejudiced western-Christian scholarship standards won't go anywhere, because it is only in your own prejudiced imagination.

    It is not...
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    The same accusations u alleged about Christianity...

    The same accusations u alleged about Christianity can very well be levelled upon islam and the Quran with 100% justification, siam.

    It's quite duplicitous and hypocritical of you to condemn what u...
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    You also make a false accusation from ignorance...

    You also make a false accusation from ignorance and condescension, that these are "Christian" scholars I quoted from.

    Saunders did not write from a religious perspective when he critiqued the...
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    We do not build Christian theology out of thin...

    We do not build Christian theology out of thin air. But based on the words and actions of Christ Himself said and did, for example he foretold His impending death in Matthew 16 - 2000 years ago, and...
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    And I agree the Koran cannot be a history book....

    And I agree the Koran cannot be a history book. Because it is too full of historical errors and falsehoods to be regarded as a source for factual and reliable history.

    An example of a historical...
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    You comments once again expose your shallow...

    You comments once again expose your shallow understanding of the background of scripture, totally.

    Thomas was a Jewish follower and disciple of Jesus. As a Jew, he would never do the absurd idea...
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    Actually, NO Christian is making such assumptions...

    Actually, NO Christian is making such assumptions that you are talking about (below), siam. Its just you making misplaced presumptions again, about what you assume of the Christians!

    The church...
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    The Nestorian Christians (an eastern church too)...

    The Nestorian Christians (an eastern church too) were pretty much wiped out by the forceful spread of islam when muslims moved eastwards from the west (arabia).

    The Nestorians were very...
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    You are trying to show the existence of so-called...

    You are trying to show the existence of so-called "many Christianities" in that very early era of the Church. Unfortunately you are so wrong, siam. Your knowledge of actual church history and...
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    Yes, the author of the Koran was badly ill...

    Yes, the author of the Koran was badly ill informed from the wrong and heterodox sources of orthodox Christianity. Some scholars and researchers say it was the heretical group of the Collyridians who...
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    The orthodox Christian doctrine and theological...

    The orthodox Christian doctrine and theological position of the church regarding the divine nature of Christ was already clearly and firmly established at the Council of Ephesus i.e. 431 CE. Over...
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    Get to know some history about the Collyridian...

    Get to know some history about the Collyridian heresy that existed in Muhameds time -

    https://www.cathedralofthesoul.org/single-post/Collyridianism-Virgin-Mary-Divine-Feminine?_amp_
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    The koranic quote from Q5/116 are words it...

    The koranic quote from Q5/116 are words it assumes Jesus Christ allegedly taught His followers 600 years before muhd's appearance.

    And of course they are erroneous and untrue! In the Gospel & NT...
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    Muslims reading the Bible should shed &...

    Muslims reading the Bible should shed & objectively distance themselves from the jaundiced and prejudiced misrepresentations the Koran forces upon them.

    So many examples can be adduced from the...
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    U are wrong again, as usual Siam! Quoting from...

    U are wrong again, as usual Siam! Quoting from fringe, minority views about church history doesn't make it a historical fact whatsoever! We have the ancient and corroborative, documented records of...
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