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  1. Well, Merriam-Webster defines it...

    Well, Merriam-Webster defines it as follows (definition 2): "ad hominem: marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made."

    Blessings,
    Lee
  2. When there are people who have the disease but...

    When there are people who have the disease but are not diagnosed, the CFR will overestimate the true risk of death.
    I don't think this is true, the question is whether we have a representative...
  3. Well, take me back to that other thread and...

    Well, take me back to that other thread and correct my misunderstandings, then. Let's discuss Tour's debate in this thread, though.

    Blessings,
    Lee
  4. What points have you made, though? Aside from ad...

    What points have you made, though? Aside from ad hominems, which don't count as discussion.

    Blessings,
    Lee
  5. But you haven't made any points, would you please...

    But you haven't made any points, would you please respond to what I quoted from James Tour?

    Blessings,
    Lee
  6. I'm talking about talks and books addressed to...

    I'm talking about talks and books addressed to the general public, and I do have an idea what the arguments are. Did you watch the debate, and do you have a comment on it?

    Blessings,
    Lee
  7. Tour is not saying abiogenesis cannot happen, he...

    Tour is not saying abiogenesis cannot happen, he does say the problem is hard, which I think is generally acknowledged. But he has published articles discussing these issues with biologists.
    ...
  8. I gather that he has indeed talked to...

    I gather that he has indeed talked to origin-of-life researchers, Jack Szostak for one.


    Yes, and we can discuss macroevolution elsewhere.

    Blessings,
    Lee
  9. Can you please not argue by posting a link? TWeb...

    Can you please not argue by posting a link? TWeb frowns on that. But here is the response to West by James Tour. Since the kerfuffle about sugars and cyanide derivatives is admittedly minor, here is...
  10. No, he's saying that origin-of-life researchers...

    No, he's saying that origin-of-life researchers are vastly inflating their claims.


    No, he is not arguing for the negative, he is not saying how life originated, he is only saying we don't know....
  11. He has talked about biologists' papers and...

    He has talked about biologists' papers and points, and has presumably talked with biologists, and this is the first biologist who was willing to discuss origin-of-life with him.

    Blessings,
    Lee
  12. I know Tour is not a proponent of ID...

    I know Tour is not a proponent of ID, and do you have a reference to this meeting proposal? But Tour is mainly vocal about origin-of-life questions, not evolution. Would you have something to say...
  13. No, Tour is not arguing from ignorance, he's...

    No, Tour is not arguing from ignorance, he's saying we're ignorant! That the origin-of-life researchers are making claims that are not justified.

    Blessings,
    Lee
  14. James Tour gets to debate origin-of-life chemist!

    From this article, which has a link to the YouTube debate with origin-of-life chemist Lee Cronin. A couple of quotes from James Tour:

    "There’s things that look like they’re living, but there’s no...
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    Well, I know a little, changes in them would tend...

    Well, I know a little, changes in them would tend to interfere with their function of up- or down-regulating production of the gene they apply to, so changes to them would not change the gene, and...
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    No, Behe means damaging to a gene, as do the...

    No, Behe means damaging to a gene, as do the computer programs. Such mutations can be beneficial to an organism, such as the damaged gene that gave the polar bear the ability to sustain a high-fat...
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    That's why I try to be careful to say "damaging"...

    That's why I try to be careful to say "damaging" instead of "deleterious". As far as I understand, in Behe's terminology, "damaging" means reduced or abolished activity. As in the computer models...
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    Then I quoted...

    Then I quoted 40% are damaging, and 8% remove all function, and .1% are beneficial.

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    I expect most mutations of any type follow the...

    I expect most mutations of any type follow the same pattern, where they are mostly neutral or deleterious. If you want to control something, and the control knob is twisted, you don't tend to get a...
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    Behe doesn't say evolution only works this way,...

    Behe doesn't say evolution only works this way, he says evolution generally devolves.

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    Right, isn't that what is of interest? A gene...

    Right, isn't that what is of interest? A gene duplicates, and then one copy can evolve new function.

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    This paper here...

    This paper here, quoted in "Debating Darwin's Doubt".

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    Well, I think the paper was referencing protein...

    Well, I think the paper was referencing protein coding duplications: "the fitness distribution of mutations at the protein level". But surely mutations in regulatory DNA fit this profile too, where...
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    According to this paper, about half of the...

    According to this paper, about half of the mutations are neutral, and about half are deleterious. So most gene duplications will provide only degraded genes for selection to work with (we can...
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    A quote from "Debating Darwin's Doubt", which has...

    A quote from "Debating Darwin's Doubt", which has relevance to this discussion:

    The play of forces, and the ensuing annihilation of advantage, is evident in Ohno’s model of duplication and...
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