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    You are such a dumbass. In your case you...

    You are such a dumbass.

    In your case you might be right, because reasoning doesn't seem to factor into any of your arguments at all.
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    No Tassman, the argument is that in a logical...

    No Tassman, the argument is that in a logical argument, reasoning comes first, and awareness requires reasoning. You can't even seem to keep up with your own argument.
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    I already said it was for communication. They...

    I already said it was for communication. They howl to let other wolves know where they are, that prey is nearby, that this is their territory, etc.

    We were discussing whether seeing something was...
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    I never brought up a wolf baying at the moon, you...

    I never brought up a wolf baying at the moon, you did. I just said a wolf doesn't even pay attention to the moon because it understands that it is not food and not close enough to attack.

    :duh:
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    so?

    so?
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    They don't. It's a wive's tale. They just howl to...

    They don't. It's a wive's tale. They just howl to communicate with each other.
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    Wolves can reason quite well Tassman. Ever watch...

    Wolves can reason quite well Tassman. Ever watch a dog standing on something high and trying to decide if it can jump down or not? They are aware of distance and objects.
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    A kitten will think the reflection is another...

    A kitten will think the reflection is another kitten. He is reasoning, just incorrectly. Observation requires awareness which requires some level of reasoning. It doesn't have to be verbal reasoning....
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    The wolf has no language, but he can reason. You...

    The wolf has no language, but he can reason. You don't see wolves trying to eat the moon or attack it do you? Why not? And the whole "wolf baying at the moon" is a trope.
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    No they don't Shuny. Reflexes work without...

    No they don't Shuny. Reflexes work without awareness. If that weren't the case you would have suffocated long ago as soon as you fell asleep, or have gone blind because your pupils did not adjust to...
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    The wolf has most of those realizations. It is...

    The wolf has most of those realizations. It is aware that the moon is a far away object that is not part of itself, that it isn't food or something it can eat, that it gives off light.
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    Yes in all cases, awareness requires a brain. And...

    Yes in all cases, awareness requires a brain. And a brain capable of being at least somewhat conscious of itself.

    Feel free to prove me wrong instead of just repeating yourself. Find a scientific...
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    You have to realize that it is an object, that...

    You have to realize that it is an object, that the object is not you which requires a sense of self, that things outside of yourself exist, that it gives off light, that it is not close by, that you...
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    They aren't aware Tassman. they merely react. You...

    They aren't aware Tassman. they merely react. You could program a robot to do the same thing. It is just a biological machine that has programmed responses to stimuli. It isn't aware of anything.
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    I didn't extend anything. Your bolded part says...

    I didn't extend anything. Your bolded part says "being conscious of something" And the part you reference says "ability to KNOW and perceive" -- you left out the word "KNOW" - it also concludes that...
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    Awareness: Awareness is the ability to directly...

    Awareness: Awareness is the ability to directly know and perceive, to feel, or to be cognizant of events. More broadly, it is the state of being conscious of something. Another definition describes...
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    No Jellyfish are not aware of anything. They have...

    No Jellyfish are not aware of anything. They have no brains. They are merely biological machines with programmed reflexes.

    I can't believe someone as educated as you is as ignorant of simple...
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    Aware means to understand and have knowledge of...

    Aware means to understand and have knowledge of something. So of course it takes reasoning. If you are asleep and someone opens your eyes, your eyes are seeing and sending signals to your brain, but...
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    Reflexes do not require awareness. When someone...

    Reflexes do not require awareness. When someone hits your knee for example, the kick reflex happens without your brain even being involved. It is a simple nervous reaction. Maybe you should be the...
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    Perception is just defined as being aware of...

    Perception is just defined as being aware of something. So you are arguing in a circle there. Knowledge requires a brain and being able to understand something. A Jellyfish has none of that. It...
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    They are not aware. A photocell can be wired to a...

    They are not aware. A photocell can be wired to a relay so that when light hits it, the relay trips. The jellyfish's nervous system does the same thing. It is not aware of anything. It is a built-in...
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    reflexes are not awareness. They occur without...

    reflexes are not awareness. They occur without awareness, that is why they are called reflexes. The motor nerves are connected directly to the sensory nerves. It is hardwired. Awareness requires...
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    They are no more aware than a photocell connected...

    They are no more aware than a photocell connected to a relay is aware Shuny. It is just a wired reaction.
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    They are not aware of anything. Just like you...

    They are not aware of anything. Just like you said a camera is not aware of what it is seeing. A Jellyfish has no awareness because it has no brain.

    I am starting to think that is the same...
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    If reasoning is the active component in...

    If reasoning is the active component in awareness, then reasoning has to come first. You have to have the ability to reason before you can be aware of anything. The jellyfish is not aware of...
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