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    Again, I was estimating the creation of a...

    Again, I was estimating the creation of a ribozyme, not a ribosome.

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    But I was talking about a ribozyme, not a...

    But I was talking about a ribozyme, not a ribosome. The ribosome is much more complex.


    Which references have I not responded to, though?


    Which laws of nature? I believe that molecular...
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    Here they describe precursors to nucleotides and...

    Here they describe precursors to nucleotides and lipids and amino acids. In my example, I assume the presence of nucleotides in abundance. You still need a ribozyme to assemble, for instance.
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    Certainly not. Yes, they do form randomly,...

    Certainly not.


    Yes, they do form randomly, if they do not replicate.


    But repeating the question will not change my reply: I selected a biomolecule that is not self-replicating, so it has to...
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    Right, it's a catalyst for replicating RNA, so...

    Right, it's a catalyst for replicating RNA, so the ribozyme doesn't replicate.


    Well, how else would the ribozyme form? It's not replicating, so natural selection is not involved.

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    I selected a biomolecule that is not...

    I selected a biomolecule that is not self-replicating, so it has to form randomly. You need replication and competition for natural selection, for evolution to work.

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    No, I asked some questions which have not yet...

    No, I asked some questions which have not yet been answered. To put a point on it, natural selection is not involved until there is replication with competition.

    So to reiterate, how are natural...
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    But I'm not sure how this applies to the...

    But I'm not sure how this applies to the translation of the Lord's prayer, there is no textual variant in Mt. 6:13.

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    I did address it, with my question as to how...

    I did address it, with my question as to how evolution applies to my calculation.

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    But I have responded to his posts. Well...

    But I have responded to his posts.


    Well fine, but I'm still not hearing how you would adjust my calculation.


    But I do not say that randomness prevents evolution.

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    Well, I'll do my best. But I'm asking for...

    Well, I'll do my best.


    But I'm asking for which laws of chemistry apply to my specific example, and how does a population of 3 ribozymes evolve? You are just making general statements here.

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    What laws of chemistry do you mean, and how is...

    The Laws of Nature reflected in the laws of chemistry, natural selection in the limited constraints of the environment concerning the outcome of the chain of cause and effect outcomes of...
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    So what factors have I missed? Yet we can...

    So what factors have I missed?


    Yet we can speak of the probability of car accidents, insurance companies do that.

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    So 2.5 x 1058 is 497. And 1.5 x 10175 is (497)3,...

    So 2.5 x 1058 is 497. And 1.5 x 10175 is (497)3, 4 being the number of nucleotides.

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    Well, what part of this do you disagree with? ...

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    Well, what part of this do you disagree with?


    And Sodom is an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. (Jude 7)

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    Well, why so? Blessings, Lee

    Well, why so?

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    Or "you will be as God". But this clearly...

    Or "you will be as God".


    But this clearly echoes Exodus 4:16, so the meaning would be the same.


    I recognize that Elohim / Theos can mean a god (or human judges, in the case of Elohim).

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    But you asked for my calculations, not for...

    But you asked for my calculations, not for someone else's calculations.

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    Well said! My love of consistency with my own...

    Well said!

    My love of consistency with my own doctrinal views is not great enough to allow me knowingly to alter a single text of Scripture. I have great respect for orthodoxy, but my reverence...
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    Thanks for the recommendation, but I am convinced...

    Thanks for the recommendation, but I am convinced of my Calvinism. As I am convinced that "God's desires are not frustrated" (getting back to the topic of the thread).

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    Sodom was a city made up of individuals, which...

    Sodom was a city made up of individuals, which will be restored!


    He doesn't seem repentant, actually, he doesn't express sorrow to Lazarus for his mistreatment, for instance.


    Yes, people...
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    This reference...

    This reference proposes a ribozyme as part of the answer, with 97 nucleotides, which has a probability of 1 in 2.5 x 1058 of forming randomly. If multiple ribozymes are needed, say three, that's...
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    But the argument is that complex entities in...

    But the argument is that complex entities in nature are designed.


    An undesigned complex entity would be one that can be generated by natural processes.

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    But this is not a scientific argument (to echo...

    But this is not a scientific argument (to echo TheLurch).


    Well, do you have any probability calculations? And there are calculations of the probability of the random formation of the first...
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    Oh, but I asked for your calculations... ...

    Oh, but I asked for your calculations...


    Sorry I misspoke, I should have said as far as James Tour knows, nobody is talking about evolution of the interactome.

    Blessings,
    Lee
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