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Uggh. You forgot bad joke eel.

http://i.imgur.com/EYVjKWH.jpg?1

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Thanks Cerebrum. To be completely fair to ikaika, his reaction probably isn't based on my posts in this thread alone, but also from the Unaligned Soul thread where I and a few others debated the use...

Your posts weren't simply "toward another person", you were actively pointing out that foudroyant was off, probably with the intention of getting him to rethink his position. You said that...

Questioning you on your incongruent views is being holier than thou? Are you throwing your fellow Christian, foudroyant, under the bus in this thread? My intent is not to throw you under a bus, but...

Yeah, can't blame you. Spousal physical punishment isn't something I'd want to spend much time defending either.

I understand that CDD is supposed to be consensual, but don't those who discipline their wives by hitting them do it because they think they are supposed to do it? That they have a God given right to...

So, in your opinion would foudroyant's views be okay, as long as the wife consented to the treatment?

Interesting sort of compliment, but okay.

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I'm just curious if he perceives the dissonance between the two views. Do you?

Norm, just so you know, 6600 views is not the same as 6600 viewers. What's being counted is the number of times the thread has been viewed, usually by the same people, since its inception. Counting...

Not in this thread, no, but he has shown his support for the right of a husband to discipline his wife by hitting her in the Christian Domestic Discipline? thread.

I agree wholeheartedly with...

ikaika, just out of curiosity, how do you justify your position in this thread with your support for a husband's right to spank his grown wife in other threads, or do you not see any connection...

That makes absolutely no sense at all Juice. Imagine you get into an accident and the other driver comes over to your car and starts insulting you to your face because they thought they had the right...

You do understand the difference between someone in the faith, and someone not in the faith, correct? Or the difference between being insulted into the faith not your own, and being rebuked by one...

Its not sinking in because the proof is in the pudding. It doesn't work. It's never worked. The "insult them to shut them up and/or to reconsider the view" method has been done on this forum since...

If those who use insults find the perceptions of those they're targeting offensive and detrimental to the faith, then they should reconsider the validity of insult rhetoric. If the goal is to get...

As Richard Rohrbaugh once pointed out, no one was ever insulted into the faith. Yes, I believe that insulting people puts them on the defensive and makes them less likely to hear what we have to say....

My understanding has been backed by scholarly resources. I'm not making this stuff up whole cloth, or reading something into it thats not there.

I like you too MM. I love your passion, and think you're incredibly sharp. When I talk about this subject, its not just me being whiny about something I feel sorta queasy about doing personally. I...

I'm not sure how you don't see the irony in these two posts.

Have you stopped to consider why they continue to be against us? Do you not want to win souls to Christ Jesus? Open up your Bible and read what it tells you.

"Bless those who persecute you; bless...

Perhaps what's detrimental to the faith is ignoring clear instruction in scripture on how exactly to interact with unbelievers. Its all there in black and white and crystal clear to the majority of...

I did in post #56. The problem is that the Christians I'm talking to here seem to sincerely believe that their true intent should be loud and clear, that they aren't being cruel or mean-spirited when...

You'd be 100% right if that's what I was doing. Of course, that's NOT what I'm doing. And I think you know its not what I'm doing.

Early in the thread you told me that the motivation for insulting...

I'm asking nonchristians, because nonchristians are primarily the object of insult rhetoric on this forum. One of the arguments on the pro-insult side is that those who insult should NOT be perceived...

Hello everyone. This thread is for non-Christians. It's not a debate thread. Its just an information gathering thread to gauge unbelievers perceptions on a certain subject.

In another active...

I probably didn't respond because the behavior of authorities over those in the faith has already been covered extensively.



Okay, well this will be another thing we'll just have to disagree...

I guess you'll just have to listen to his podcast or catch more of his debates. :shrug:

Christian or not, Dr. Wallace is one of the most respected scholars in NT studies, even by the most ardent critical scholars. The work he's currently doing is incredibly important to everyone in...

Post #387. I have my settings set so that I get like 60 posts per page. Makes it a lot easier to scroll up and see what was said earlier. I'm only on page 8 right now, while I'm guessing everyone...

Well, I don't know. Have you ever seen any of my replies to bertaberts? How bout robrecht's replies? Rogues? I think RG's replies are terrific when they're not filled with insult rhetoric. But let me...

I think I went over the context of 1 Peter pretty thoroughly in a previous post. Please check out Context Group chair, John H. Elliott's social context commentary on 1 Peter in his seminal work A...

I think its sad that this strawman that if you're not browbeating your opponent into submission then you're some sort of wimpy, emergent, post-modernist keeps popping up (or that your opponent will...

The consensus on these sort of things can be grabbed from folks like professor of New Testament Studies at Dallas Theological Seminary, Daniel Wallace. Dr. Wallace is pouring through the NT...

The difference of course is that everyone can see your full response before its been replied to part by part. If someone replying to you really is taking your argument out of context, all it takes is...

This really isn't much of an argument. In the 21st century individualistic West, people still find a gentle and respectful answer and behavior to a harsh verbal or physical attack shocking, and...

You and seanD are the only people on this entire forum that seems to have a problem with people breaking up a post, and for you, this is a recent thing (maybe within the last year?). You never had a...

I'm glad you're praying for them. That's awesome! I need to spend more time in prayer for them myself.

Juice, I just want to clarify something here. I recognize and affirm that laymen have the ability to instruct and rebuke. The point I'm making about Jesus' and Paul's authority is that they weren't...

I've been on this forum for 7 years now. So far I haven't seen a single unbeliever who was knocked back on their heels (i.e. insulted and belittled) by a believer find themselves compelled to...

Well I'm really glad to hear that. That hasn't always been the message relayed to me. The message usually relayed is that those folks who are being insulted are wolves in sheep's clothing who are not...

The specific role, the thing that distinguishes a church leader from everyone else in the body is the fact that they instruct others in doctrine and they rebuke those who are going astray. There's a...

Their opinion is that those who are being insulted are essentially beyond redemption. The goal then is to shut antitheists and skeptics up and/or to make them quit this forum altogether so that they...

I didn't have to call the matter into public. The problem of insults is something that everyone on this forum is already more than aware of. People were talking about this well before I even knew...

All I'm attempting to do here is point out what scripture clearly instructs, and what scholars have to say on the matter. If you're feeling judged, perhaps that's your own conscience talking to you....

Exactly.

Am I rebuking someone who has sinned against me? Are you? If so, shouldn't you have written me in private?

Good points. I think keeping in mind what professor Witherington says about this subject is important too,

It was difficult to shame a person who already had high status or considerable power or...

A prerogative is "a right or privilege exclusive to a particular individual or class, or a faculty or property distinguishing a person or class", and what distinguishes an overseer from the layman?
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Eh, fair enough, but I was referring to Xuanwu, aka, the Black Tortoise, the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Tortoise