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    They have to be aware to react.

    They have to be aware to react.
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    True as the jellyfish is aware of the different...

    True as the jellyfish is aware of the different shades of light, and responds. You just confirmed that awareness is independent of reasoning.



    Yes, again . . . the jellyfish is aware and...
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    I believe in the history of you posting here you...

    I believe in the history of you posting here you definitely need more than just one biology course. No one is claiming reflexes are awareness. Reflexes are a response to awareness
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    Yes te Jellyfish is aware of the different shades...

    Yes te Jellyfish is aware of the different shades of light, and can respond with movement. The photo cell is simply a mechanical object.
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    . . . but they are aware and react. A photo cell...

    . . . but they are aware and react. A photo cell does not react to the light on its own.
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    The fact thqat the Jellyfish does not have a...

    The fact thqat the Jellyfish does not have a brain is the key, as well as other animals with eyes an no brain. They are 'aware' of their surroundings and respond to that awareness, but have no brain...
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    A jelly fish has primitive eyes and can observe,...

    A jelly fish has primitive eyes and can observe, bur obviously it cannot reason, no brain.
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    In your post to me you only stated REASON in...

    In your post to me you only stated REASON in capital letters with no reference to objective verifiable evidence.
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    Reason cannot stand alone without objective...

    Reason cannot stand alone without objective verifiable evidence. If you choose this route your REASON becomes only anecdotal and subjective among the many other conflicting assertions based on...
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    They are potentially choices for compatibilism.

    They are potentially choices for compatibilism.
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    So far your on a roll, and you can continue with...

    So far your on a roll, and you can continue with the gibberish tomorrow.
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    No the reasoning here is too circular to be...

    No the reasoning here is too circular to be meaningful
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    You use objective verifiable evidence to...

    You use objective verifiable evidence to determine the moon exists. Without the objective verifiable evidence the reasoning is subjective, personal preference, and the moon becomes green cheese.

    I...
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    [quote=shunyadragon] I gave you the reasonable...

    Yes reasoning cannot justify, prove nor make an argument for reasoning, because that is circular reasoning . . .



    The validity of reasoning cannot justify itself as the first-principle.
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    First, to believe the validity of reasoning is...

    First, to believe the validity of reasoning is the first-principle for the validity of reasoning is a problem. like begging the question, more to follow.

    You present a very confusing incoherent...
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    I go with a version compatabilism (?) where our...

    I go with a version compatabilism (?) where our ability to make choices is very limited based on a deterministic world.

    Yes,lee_merrill's response's are problematic and adds to the fog index...
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    Your just rewording your previous posts that,...

    Your just rewording your previous posts that, like Geisler, considers the underlying supernatural first-principles to validate reasoning. The above contradicts your previous post I cited.
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    The question of first-principle as lee-merrill...

    The question of first-principle as lee-merrill and Geisler proposes involves a different definition of faith. What you describe above is the anecdotal faith the, ie planes fly, and not remotely how...
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    You apparently have no problem getting on an...

    You apparently have no problem getting on an airplane and flying at thousands of feet and hundreds of miles per hour per hour. This is not a meaningful line of reasoning, and a gross misuse of the...
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    Are proposing a Vedic question concerning the...

    Are proposing a Vedic question concerning the illusion of reality? If reality is an illusion it is a very interesting, painful, fantastic, interesting, beautiful, magnificent illusion.

    How do you...
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    Again reasoning is not described as a...

    Again reasoning is not described as a first-principle by lee_merrill nor Norman Geisler as cited.. The first-principles are what validate reasoning in their view, and of course, I do not agree.
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    lee_merrill stated that reasoning itself is not...

    lee_merrill stated that reasoning itself is not the first-principle for the validity of reason, and requires the first-principle as supernatural.



    I described this to some extent in a previous...
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    lee_merrill stated that reasoning itself is not...

    lee_merrill stated that reasoning itself is not the first-principle for the validity of reason, and requires the first-principle as supernatural.
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    lee_merrill asserts that reasoning is not the...

    lee_merrill asserts that reasoning is not the first-principle to justify the validity of reasoning
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    this eludes to an underlying problem with with...

    this eludes to an underlying problem with with you view of reasoning if you do not distinguish between the reasoning for objectively verified facts, and the reasoning for subjectively held beliefs.
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