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    Re: Separation of Church and State

    I'm saying nothing at all about "heritage". I'm talking about the foundation of national law. Where did I claim there was not a Christian heritage?



    True. And if Pittsburg is attacked, then...
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    Re: Stupidest movie of all time ...

    Is that the one with Cosby acting the idiot? Even worse than Ghost Dad. I was forced to watch it on a plane once. True excremental value there.
  3. Re: Sketchers and Christina Aguilera degrade women and insults professionals in new ads

    Absolutely.

    I understand that Christina likes to dress that way, and more so. Has anyone ever seen her Dirty video? When she was wearing more conservative attire, as in her Genie in a Bottle...
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    Re: Separation of Church and State

    Thanks! Except I wasn't questioning the Christian influenced heritage of state law. Great red herring, though.



    Speaking of equivocating... I believe I did say Pennsylvania is part of the...
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    Re: Separation of Church and State

    And he was dismissed for refusing to follow a binding court order, shameful for someone who is sworn to uphold the law. No doubt a prelude to what will surely be a successful state political move....
  6. Re: Do atheists really exist? An answer may be coming soon....

    Apparently, according to the OP, we can't even believe someone is an atheist if they say so. It's a pretty tough thing to prove then! :smile:
  7. Re: Do atheists really exist? An answer may be coming soon....

    It was in the news reports after his bother said so during his funeral. See the SF Journal article reprinted here.

    Also, on June 21st, 1964, three civil rights workers, James E. Cheney, Andrew...
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    Re: Separation of Church and State

    Right you are Nicholas. Many of the examples presented were not American law, but state law. It took several decades after the ratification of the Constitution before the practice of separation of...
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    Re: Seasanctuary's Name That Movie #2

    Are you sure you don't mean one person has seen it 25 times? :smile:
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    Re: Another problem with post-flood veggie mats

    Works both ways Glenn. I remember looking at a buddy of mine a tad askew when he mentioned he had knocked up my sister! Apparently he had just knocked on the door looking for me and woke her up. So...
  11. Re: The Bible was way ahead of NASA - not widely known but very interesting apologetic

    Important enough for you to comment in return it seems.



    Ya, sure.
  12. Re: The Bible was way ahead of NASA - not widely known but very interesting apologetic

    Websites don't declare anything. People do.



    Jeremiah 33:22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured; so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and...
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    Re: Seasanctuary's Name That Movie #2

    Andromeda Strain?
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    Re: Another problem with post-flood veggie mats

    In your hair? Sice you're obviously a penguin, you don't have any hair. :wink:
  15. Re: Do atheists really exist? An answer may be coming soon....

    Pat Tillman, who gave up a lucrative career in the NFL ($3.6 million for a 3 year contract) to fight for his country ($15,000 per year), was awarded the Silver Star for saving the lives of some of...
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    Re: Stupidest movie of all time ...

    I nominate Howard the Duck. Can anyone top Lea Thompson making out with a duck? I think not. The comic book of the same name actually wasn't half bad. But the movie was stupid with a capital 'S'.
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    Poll: Re: Let's talk about circumcision

    Now theres an interesting opening to a conversation. :lol:



    I don't think it's a necessity. Barring religious necessity anyway. There are some health issues to consider, but on balance I'd say...
  18. Re: Do Codes Imply Intelligence? Is the DNA Code Wrongly Called A Code?

    But they are only links, so they can simply be answered by other links. What's the point?



    Depends on the answers.



    Actually this means he has been given 7 more pearls than he has given...
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    Re: Religion is:

    Yes, elephants do seem to have some sort of connection to their departed fellow elephants, sometimes protecting the carcass from scavangers, or returning to it as it skeletonizes and manipulating the...
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    Re: Religion is:

    Interesting idea, but it seems overly broad to me. Since everyone has their own concepts about the practical outworkings, what death means to them particularly, doesn't that mean each individual then...
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    Re: Why such a poor design?

    I think Jason is trying to say it's fair to use a different standard for determining good verses bad design. Apparently, since saying something is 'good' is a compliment you don't need to have the...
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    Re: Seasanctuary's Name That Movie #1

    Could it be ...

    Congo ?
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    Re: Separation of Church and State

    They were written laws pre-dating the Moasic commandments, were they not? We could well argue our laws today are based on Hammurabi, which were in turn based on still older laws. And there are other...
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    What are some of these good reasons? I actually agree that you can have state discrimination if there is good reason. You can certainly make laws preventing people from marrying 8 year olds for...
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    Re: Separation of Church and State

    Absolutely. Let's look at the 10 Commandments and how they form the rock solid foundation of laws today.

    You shall have no other gods before Me.

    O.K., this one not only is not a basis of law,...
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    Re: Consensus of the Majority

    Fine, then offer a superior explanation of the human fossil record which does not assume "evolutionary naturalism".



    Astronomy has had a few thousand years heads start after all.
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    Re: Consensus of the Majority

    There's no break at all Jason. There's a difference between recognizing the fact that evolution occured, and disputes over the exact mechanisms and their relative importance. It's not exactly a...
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    I just don't understand these liberals. Its obvious we have to make a law against gay marriage. Why? Isn't it enough that we don't like it?! Do we need a rational reason too?!

    Clearly if two men...
  29. Re: Your media bias is showing again: Missouri's vote to amend their constitution

    That's not right at all. Look at your own post:

    Spedale's report of lower divorce rates and higher marriage rates in post-gay marriage Denmark is thus misleading.

    What these writers are saying...
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    Re: Fall of Man?

    He sure would, as anyone who watches TRUCKS! with Stacey David will attest. Better put in tougher shocks too.
  31. Re: Ken keeps the string alive...

    Indeed. I checked and there are 11 threads started in TWeb dealing either with 'Hitler' or 'Nazis'. Of those, 7 were started by proclaimed theists. There are some 750 other threads that mention...
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    Re: Unicornitarianism

    Yep, the transition from unicellular to multicellular is believed to have happened repeatedly. All you need is to get a large number of unicellular organisms together and then some differentiation...
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    Re: Why such a poor design?

    We could always say there might be some process we don't know about and the design is really good. But by this standard, we could also look at soemthing you might claim is well designed and say that...
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    Re: Brett: Thanks for posing a better question.

    Of course you're right there George. I was speaking a bit loosely, so my bad. What I meant was right or wrong insofar as any scientific theory can be right or wrong. Of course we must always keep in...
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    Re: Why such a poor design?

    Actually, it is. By asserting something is "good" you're automatically saying there is some recognizable standard between good and bad.



    From the biological standpoint it's fairly...
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    Re: Brett: Thanks for posing a better question.

    The scientific approach would be to say that you can never have recourse to miracles, since they are not so much an explanation, but an admission of a lack of explanation. And they stiffle any...
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    They don't? Then how do you explain the antimiscegenation laws in the U.S. in the early and middle parts of the last century?
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    If it's already an oxymoron, then why do they need a law banning it?

    Where is the state interest here? What's the compelling reason for the state to deny same-sex marriage, given that the majority...
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    Re: To Augustine2004

    I don't think scientists have any interest at all that their models conform to revealed scripture, be it Genesis or the oral creation myths of the Lakota. This is simply not a scientific question,...
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    Re: Car Analogy? Oh, here it is:

    I'd like to point out that crumpling in an accident is part of the design of well designed cars. They are supposed to crumple, and car makers deliberately put these crumple zones in. This means the...
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    Re: The creationist came back

    Of course I agree you can judge how well something performs a function, based on some standard. The point is that to judge if it's well designed or not depends on judging the intended function.

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    Re: Judge Design by Performance

    *Intent is interwined intricately with intellgent inspired design. Intent is what separates mere 'function' from 'purpose'. In this particular instance, I think we're pretty certain the toaster was...
  43. Re: What did Hitler have in common with you?

    Things Hitler and I have in common.

    1. We're both human and male.

    2. Both of Germanic descent.

    3. Both have brown hair.

    4. Both have a mustache.
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    Re: Judge Design by Performance

    But in this instance we know the purpose for the design, and we know the mechanisms employed to make the object. If the purpose is to make nicely browned toasted bread and our design does not do this...
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    Re: To Brett

    You do seem to have veered wildly off the course of what is known about physics by positing (or repeating someone else's position) the fusion of a giant water ball as something even remotely...
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    Re: Olympic Game Fans?

    Field hockey?

    I think the U.S. is like most countries, they'll mainly cover the sports where they have a chance to win or are visually captivating. So I'll be doing a lot of channel surfing to get...
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    Re: Skeptic's argument

    The point being in my case that "design" implies "intent". That something is designed means that it's built for a purpose. If we do not know the purpose of the design, we can't really make any...
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    Re: This is getting to be a silly argument.

    I agree with you here. We can't know whether something in nature is well designed or not since we don't know the motives and capabilities of the designer. All we can do is to imagine whether a given...
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    Re: To Brett

    No scientific theory explains everything Brett, although physicists are working on something they like to call the Theory of Everything. Anyway, scientific theories are designed to explain the data...
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    Re: I hear the scrape of goalposts moving

    Have you read these as well:

    Gastaldo, R. A., 1984, A case against pelagochthony: the untenability of Carboniferous arborescent Lycopod-dominated floating mats. In Walker, K.R., ed., The...
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