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    If this blows up you all can share my avatar.

    If this blows up you all can share my avatar.
  2. Planet Money: Plastic Bag Bans are Garbage

    https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2019/04/09/711181385/are-plastic-bag-bans-garbage
    Relevant facts culled from the article (but read the article.):



    So fact 1: The banning of plastic bags...
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    I'm only talking about pro-lifers on Tweb. He...

    I'm only talking about pro-lifers on Tweb. He may have meant the wider pro-life world and I constrained it to the people on Tweb. As a sample of pro-lifers doing more, CP seems to be exemplary. He...
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    I'm not sure how you get that from my answers. ...

    I'm not sure how you get that from my answers. I'm answering the questions directly. I'm presuming that we are big people who don't have to be overly polite to be granted a measure of polite...
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    I have a hard believing when I said "you're the...

    I have a hard believing when I said "you're the only one who posted" that I meant pro-life people not on Tweb.
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    Dp? Idky.

    Dp? Idky.
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    Or I mean stuff that we probably mean to do but...

    Or I mean stuff that we probably mean to do but think other people are doing a good enough job of doing and so we never quite get to it. Also, supporting some policy directions that might make...
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    In this thread, the only person who indicated...

    In this thread, the only person who indicated that he was actually doing anything immediate to save lives was CP.
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    The discussion accomplished what it set out to...

    The discussion accomplished what it set out to do, to politely discuss if there were any other ideas we could have to save lives. Like I said, it's up to us now to work at the grassroots level if we...
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    No one says that you have to stop the struggle. ...

    No one says that you have to stop the struggle. These were only ideas to do in the mean time.
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    I guess my answer is who cares if it's one-sided...

    I guess my answer is who cares if it's one-sided if it saves lives.



    This is when, respectfully, I don't buy it. If, by compromise, you save more lives than you do by not compromising, then,...
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    The point of the discussion was to find policies...

    The point of the discussion was to find policies that, barring a complete reversal of Roe v. Wade, might help save lives, if that is what is important.
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    Even if it would save lives...

    Even if it would save lives...
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    No one was trying to avoid stepping on anyone's...

    No one was trying to avoid stepping on anyone's toes. Anyone who reads here knows that I am not afraid to step on toes if I feel like I need to. I don't think your article proves anything about...
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    No one was trying to avoid stepping on anyone's...

    No one was trying to avoid stepping on anyone's toes. Anyone who reads here knows that I am not afraid to step on toes if I feel like I need to. I don't think your article proves anything about...
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    Tenure laws were designed to protect teachers...

    Tenure laws were designed to protect teachers from the exact sorts of political actions that Sparko is talking about. If they fired all of the non-tenured teachers, then there is likely nothing the...
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    The incident is being investigated by the board. ...

    The incident is being investigated by the board. Most boards take child safety and therefore custody extremely seriously. This is likely a fireable offense.
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    :yes:

    :yes:
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    More people not reading the article? It sounds...

    More people not reading the article? It sounds like one idiot did one dumb thing and now we get to broad brush a whole bunch of people. Nice. It's not like we expect conservatives to be...
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    That's the whole frustrating point. No one is...

    That's the whole frustrating point. No one is arguing that this is the solution to the abortion debate, hence no one is at a significant disadvantage in the abortion debate. It was merely a...
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    This was a solid attempt at discourse. ...

    This was a solid attempt at discourse. Unfortunately, most people are trying to debate abortion or the utility of trying to save lives. Shaking my head...
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    Here's another thought: Some research, and thus...

    Here's another thought: Some research, and thus the common perception on the other side, indicates that women who are denied an abortion face economic insecurity. One such study (I have not idea if...
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    I believe I already indicated that that was a...

    I believe I already indicated that that was a good start. Is that all we can do? Can we do more to save lives? Maybe it isn't that I don't get what pro-life pregnancy centers are doing, but that I...
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    ...exasperated by people who refuse to budge to...

    ...exasperated by people who refuse to budge to consider anything else to be done?
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    So understanding that the debate hasn't shifted,...

    So understanding that the debate hasn't shifted, and that the SCOTUS may/may not turn over Roe, what else can we do to save lives?
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