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Again, that's a smoke screen. It's obviously during the time of sophisticated building technology, which came well after human beings radiating from Africa. Australia had well established cultures...

You know exactly why bricks are important in putting babel in a specific age. You're just pretending you don't to sidestep the significance of human migration preceding architecture.

And again you've missed the point. Babel can only have taken place within a specific window of time. I could not have antedated agriculture and brickmaking technology.

So, yea, stop saying you're...

You keep saying the dating of babel isn't important, but it is if there's a specific window of time it could have occurred. Surely you'll agree it didn't take place 10,000 years ago. You do know we...

I said that one needn't be a linguist to know that language didn't begin homogenously. If cultures antedated sumer, then language was being spoken and shaped by regional differences, etc. Language...

No matter how you date Babel, it took place after languages had been evolving for a long time. Why? We were already occupying portions of the globe independently. We weren't concentrated in just...

That would be impossible given that we had scattered across much of the globe WELL before we knew anything about building ziggurats.

You must make your case first. You cited a case of ancient literature that referred to human language being the same at first, which actually means that you believe language arose 10-30,000 thousand...

No. One needn't be a linguist to know that language arose independently, not through a single divine endowment to a mythical first couple.

And you'd rather believe that "fact" than the evidence that language has a deep ancient history? '

The problem with apologetics--why Enns calls apologetics "cheap"--is because many apologists do...

We should all have misgivings over letting someone perform surgery on a perfectly intact penis.

Christopher Hitchens crucifies a rabbi who defends the practice as "painless" in this video (at...

You're a member of a movement that demonizes birth control. See signature.

Homosexuality is much more personal and painful an issue, especially in a homophobic culture. Religion is adopted, while homosexuality is deeply rooted and challenges taboos believed by previous...

We must live in an age of sufficient religious tolerance if mayoral candidates must tiptoe around the practice of child molestation rites.
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Look at how many children the Catholic church hasn't molested. Look at how many people Oswald didn't kill.

Also, sometimes the good can have a flipside. Yes, the Catholic church does some good....

Cosmologists don't say inflation happened faster than the speed of light. You obviously don't understand the theory of relavity nor Big Bang cosmology, and that's why you aren't prepared to have...

Unshelter me. Tell me what the data really says.

Nope, the craziest part was the cosmological data's been "cooked" part.

People feel guilt who sometimes did nothing. Closeted homosexuals sometimes feel shame and guilt for simply being attracted to their own gender. Someone also mentioned Mormonic guilt. There's guilt...

If the universe is unaffected by sin, or even the devil, what's the need to start it over?

You lost us at data has been "cooked." No it hasn't.

A hand in corrupting the universe or just earth?




Ok

Is the orthodox view that Adam *is* directly responsible? Does the orthodox view see the universe as corrupted by something that went down on earth?



Would that mean a plan independent of the...

If Christianity is true, God started a process 14 billion years ago with a shelf life of trillions of years. For the most part, Christianity believes man's end is slated for soon, ensuring the...

You can say that about every instance of extra-biblical divine interaction. That does not make them non-anthropomorphic.

Did Satan literally issue the challenge to God circa 3000bc? Also, I've...

I'm not putting you on the spot. Your religion says we're sick.

You know I didn't say that, and you know that's not the argument for keeping birth control accessible. Artificial birth control very much encompasses personal responsibility. Sometimes, not using it...

Yes, what makes it anthropomorphic is 1) the human tendency to personify forces we don't understand and 2) the complete lack of evidence for this event taking place.

Other factors also point to...

No, my contention isn't that interaction isn't possible. For all I know, celestial beings can square dance and give each other noogies.

My contention is that human beings have always personified...

No, only if God is invoked for the purposes of stopping a harmless act: having sex without worrying about creating a new life.

Subtle forms like what?




How do you go from "what defines you as sick from a Christian perspective?" to me claiming personal perfection? This is where you might lose people in your outreach....

Because she invoked God when condemning artificial birth control, thereby attaching supernatural authority and eternal consequences to the act.

It's a great human achievement to take on sacred cows. Mother Theresa promoted the superstitious idea that birth control is evil.

Comically, the world's largest Christian organization sanctioned...

Although heaven is attractive, we aren't to be so enamored of the prize that we desire to leave this stank world and abandon the lost. Don't be a hermit. Don't just associate with your inner circle....

How is Mt. Olympus more "fake" than Satan and God having a convo circa 3000 BC? The question isn't the possibility that celestial beings can interact. Rather, i'm asking for the evidence that this...

Thousands of years of human beings personifying deities, devils, and nature is enough evidence for me and many Jews, Christians, and Muslims who also regard this as myth not historical record.

What has to do with personalities God has given you?

No, we're talking about sick vs. well, so it's an appropriate metaphor. I should have went with blood of Christ to avoid offending you.

There's nothing wrong with those things. Moderation isn't reckless, nor is it wild, so I don't know what you're talking about. You asked me what a well person is, and I said someone who basically...

With standards that high, failure would be inevitable. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, you believe the first human beings failed. That doesn't bode well for the success of the plan.



Actually,...

Someone who lives a non-reckless, non-wild life. Lay down some context before you jump non that answer. Describe how you are sick.

Maybe I'm reading too much into your opinion of human depravity. Surely, the unrepentant have a reason for needing the Jesus medicine. Or are they well?

Yes, like wagers and challenges: two interactions that only human beings partake in.

That's a big problem with evangelizing. The evangelist must assume her audience lives reckless and wild lifestyles or, at the very least, assume they think reckless and wild thoughts.

Evangelism...

Surely it is. Are Mt. Olympus happenings anthropomorphic?

You're suggesting Satan and God convened in a human context that resembles a human king and his human adversary. That's the textbook...

But you must acknowledge that declaring the kingship of Christ is no act of bravery. Perhaps some don't spend their free time making these declarations because the social playing field has changed or...

That's the anthropomorphic part, hence problematic. God and Satan having a Mt. Olympus-style contest. You think that's not anthropomorphic?

Thanks for clarifying.



I don't understand. So this was a real contest between God and Satan as described?

How can suffering be an indirect result of sin?

Am I right that you accept this as myth and not a real contest between God and Satan?

In the context of offering scriptures to counsel the newly grieved, the wager aspect isn't consoling.