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    Hey Siam, thank you for your input. I operate...

    Hey Siam, thank you for your input. I operate mostly in an introvertive vacuum, popping onto theology or philosophy boards from time to time to test ideas. It’s a much needed treasure when I run...
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    Hello Siam, thanks for responding. I think...

    Hello Siam, thanks for responding.


    I think you overburden the purpose of thought experiments, they are only analogies used to present a certain point. And the mechanism of value does take into...
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    I'll give it one more shot Tassman: if you would...

    I'll give it one more shot Tassman: if you would take time to read and consider what is posted you'll see that I offer an alternative metaphysical hypothesis to naturalistic theories of morality. ...
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    I don't think you're quite grabbing the idea of...

    I don't think you're quite grabbing the idea of truth as I use it. Assuming truth is preexistent to the universe, the notion of "moral laws of right or wrong" is incoherent. For that matter, the...
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    So you triumphantly post one of the five thousand...

    So you triumphantly post one of the five thousand papers on correlative evidence as truth? You are just the atheist version of the Christian who holds her doctrine to be the truth all other views...
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    The non-contact forces may well proceed from...

    The non-contact forces may well proceed from matter itself. This is irrelevant to the point—a compatibilist configuration of the mutable under supervision of the immutable is expressed in the...
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    Well, you are obviously quoting the opinions of...

    Well, you are obviously quoting the opinions of others whose format has been well developed over time and is abundantly available to anyone with a computer and internet connection. So where have you...
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    Though P and Q are in various respects mutable,...

    Though P and Q are in various respects mutable, they are supervised by an “outside” immutable force. I call this Form (F). In the natural world F equates to the non-contact forces. The...
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    Okay. But it seems to me all you’re doing is...

    Okay. But it seems to me all you’re doing is dogmatic parroting of doctrines you’ve been taught and come to accept. I don’t see any actual arguments. Christians who erroneously use their doctrine...
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    I have a hypothesis that value (admixture of...

    I have a hypothesis that value (admixture of truth and falsity which creates moral mutability) is a non-empiric dynamic within being, that factual value interactions, while powerful in a material...
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    The problem I have is that evolution began its...

    The problem I have is that evolution began its life as a descriptor of mechanistic biological systems. At some point the pursuit of naturalistic explanations had to bring morality into its cupboards...
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    This is the normal answer from atheists; I was...

    This is the normal answer from atheists; I was surprised when Roy agreed. Do you believe this because evidence leads to this conclusion or because it fits into a preexistent worldview?
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    Yes. I take the position that value has exactly...

    Yes. I take the position that value has exactly two denominations, true and false. Prescriptive truth is synonymous with normative value (though there's room for debate here) generally and...
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    Okay, I see a lot of room was left open in the...

    Okay, I see a lot of room was left open in the OP. I maintain that:

    1. truth or any concept of value requires a mind of at least intellectual or higher caliber

    2. truth either
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    Moral vs. Factual Belief

    Why do moral and ethical thoughts, beliefs, propositions, motivations, etc. seem different than purely descriptive or factual ones? Consider the following statements:
    1. It is okay to rape someone...
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    You're right. I've been corrected before on...

    You're right. I've been corrected before on loose use of naturalism materialism. I stand again corrected.

    Point taken about being beyond philosophy. I do mix a metaphysical approach (existence...
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    Actually, this is probably the flagship of those...

    Actually, this is probably the flagship of those philosophies noted in op. I believe the "indifference" you note is mistaken, though. I've been developing what I call the 'mechanism of value' the...
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    Agree to no objective way to distinguish between...

    Agree to no objective way to distinguish between supernatural and natural. But objectivity seems to do well enough for discussion of macro level materiality. I see no reason to claim the definition...
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    Thanks for your response RJ. I'm looking for...

    Thanks for your response RJ. I'm looking for something less specific, more along the lines of identifying philosophies that are inherently--understanding that no "ism" is entirely so--in opposition...
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    Philosophies for or against religion

    There is among the many “isms” of philosophy a recognizable division between those branches of study that are [by varying degrees] inimical to or supportive of (or at minimum are not opposed to)...
  21. Thread: Original sin

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    The Christian view of fallenness or depravity...

    The Christian view of fallenness or depravity does not rule out room for virtue. I have no idea how you arrived at this conclusion. Most discussion of sin and evil within Christianity today is at...
  22. Thread: Original sin

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    I only read the first 3 or 4 pages of the thread,...

    I only read the first 3 or 4 pages of the thread, but noticed that the usual language of "effects" is applied to the question in the op, i.e., sin, pride, etc.

    My 'value mechanism" hypothesis is...
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    I understand the orthodox view of “laws of...

    I understand the orthodox view of “laws of causality” to be limited to matter, i.e., immaterial entities are believed to have no causal power.

    I’ll throw out an unorthodox view of reasons and...
  24. So be it. I rest my case; your reply is...

    So be it. I rest my case; your reply is consistent with Eagleman's and scores of others who fall under the umbrella of theological Materialism as a religious [value] construct, all of which are...
  25. Okay, but I think you're deceiving yourself in...

    Okay, but I think you're deceiving yourself in your assumption that methodological naturalism "deals only with the science of our physical existence." We are not beings who can switch off our...
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