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    Try "was a divine thing" for θεὸς ἦν

    Try "was a divine thing" for θεὸς ἦν
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    Don't know where you are getting this from ? ...

    Don't know where you are getting this from ?

    Furthermore, how can someone be "human" yet not be a human person ? Worse still, how can someone be "human" yet be an un-created, Eternal person ?...
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    Is θεὸς in John 1:1c definite, or indefinite or...

    Is θεὸς in John 1:1c definite, or indefinite or purely qualitative?





    Who says θεὸς in John 1:1c has (a) the name or title of God and (b) has the nature of this God ? The word θεὸς has a...
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    When X becomes "human" they don't become a person...

    When X becomes "human" they don't become a person ?
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    Sure it does..When you say that θεός in John...

    Sure it does..When you say that θεός in John 1:1c is "a name, or a title," you are saying θεός here is definite, but when you say θεός in John 1:1c is "telling us what kind of nature the Word had"...
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    If "the Word" was already a person, it would be...

    If "the Word" was already a person, it would be nonsense to say that "he" became a person.
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    That's grammatically impossible.

    That's grammatically impossible.
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    In John 20:28 is ὁ θεός "a name, or a title, for...

    In John 20:28 is ὁ θεός "a name, or a title, for the Father" or is it "telling us what kind of nature the Word had" ?
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    Correct, "made flesh" (σὰρξ ἐγένετο) means...

    Correct, "made flesh" (σὰρξ ἐγένετο) means "became a human being," σὰρξ is a synecdoche . So the verse is saying that "the Word became a human being," and this is the being who is called Jesus.
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    That's like saying the dust of the earth in Gen....

    That's like saying the dust of the earth in Gen. 2:7 is "directly identified" with Adam. In John 1:14 "the Word made flesh" (i.e. the Word become a human being) is Jesus, "the Word" is NOT Jesus.
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    In John 1:1 no person is mentioned but rather a...

    In John 1:1 no person is mentioned but rather a thing, namely "the Word." What this verse is saying is as follows , the proper translation -- "In the beginning was the Torah, and the Torah was facing...
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    Well this is illogical. Your reasoning demands...

    Well this is illogical. Your reasoning demands two Gods. But the bible says there is only one God. That is another reason why Jesus cannot be a Saviour exactly like the Father is Saviour.
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    It is precisely because God could not die for our...

    It is precisely because God could not die for our sins that Jesus is a savior in a different sense than God is. Also, even if we grant (for the sake of argument) that he was a savior "in the same...
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    If God is the "only Savior" (even though no...

    If God is the "only Savior" (even though no scripture says this) how can Othniel ben Kenaz also be a "Savior" ? Hate to say this, but you make God out to be a liar with your interpretation .
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    You will notice that the word "only" is not in...

    You will notice that the word "only" is not in the text. So to say the bible insists that God is the "only Savior" is misleading.

    Now, in Hosea 13:4 and Isaiah 43:11 when God says there is no...
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    Could you show me the verse where it says that...

    Could you show me the verse where it says that God is the "only Savior", first ?
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    I don’t think Sparko realizes just how unbiblical...

    I don’t think Sparko realizes just how unbiblical his reasoning is. He says that if a general sends a soldier to save someone it is the soldier who has really saved. In the non-biblical context this...
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    Not quite, he had free will to do the will of his...

    Not quite, he had free will to do the will of his Father or to not do it. But God provided him with the strength to accomplish his mission.
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    That’s a false analogy. A Rambo like soldier who...

    That’s a false analogy. A Rambo like soldier who is sent on a mission saves by his own strength, but Jesus saved by the power of God.
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    If you are able to do NOTHING apart from me, and...

    If you are able to do NOTHING apart from me, and then I ask you to save a child for me with my power, who is really the only Saviour of the child ? You ?
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    Didn’t say that. God is the “only” Saviour in...

    Didn’t say that. God is the “only” Saviour in the sense that , for example, He commanded Jesus to die for the sins of men. So if the Father didn’t command Jesus, there would be no salvation of...
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    No, just asking for simple articulation.

    No, just asking for simple articulation.
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    We can indulge in these sorts of arguments all...

    We can indulge in these sorts of arguments all day long and it wouldn’t solve anything IMHO (to ”prove” that Jesus is God). That is why it is not good enough to just make such arguments (eg. “he is...
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    But the reverse is true. Jesus “saves” mankind...

    But the reverse is true. Jesus “saves” mankind (from their sins ) in a difference sense — by obeying the will of God and willingly dying on the cross, precisely something which God cannot do.
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    But you’re just repeating the same word game type...

    But you’re just repeating the same word game type statement without interacting with the argument.

    The fact that God is the “only” saviour yet others ( specific human beings) are also called...
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