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    The fact that you are aware of being “conscious”...

    The fact that you are aware of being “conscious” is not the argument. The man who believes he is Napoleon is conscious. But is he really Napoleon is the question? He thinks he is.



    Yet,...
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    And yet it was justified and rationalized in the...

    And yet it was justified and rationalized in the Christian US for centuries. It played a major, role in providing the economic foundations of the United States—especially in the South. And...
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    Do you seriously expect Hypatia_Alexandria, or...

    Do you seriously expect Hypatia_Alexandria, or anyone, to respond to this mountain of mined quotes - all listed without any attempt to address each quote? This is a shameless Gish Gallop, i.e. the...
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    The bottom line is that neither of us has a way...

    The bottom line is that neither of us has a way of knowing for sure what Paul’s purpose was in visiting the Jerusalem Church after three years of preaching the gospel. But we do know Paul claimed to...
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    There is no way to assess the reality of...

    There is no way to assess the reality of subjective “independent sense data”. Whereas empirical data can be successfully acted upon as if it was “objectively real” - as indicated by ever growing...
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    Yes, that’s the point. It took three years of...

    Yes, that’s the point. It took three years of preaching "Christ crucified" before Paul bothered to visit the Jerusalem Church to confirm that he’d got the story right.



    It was more than...
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    I know, the naughty little tykes. Entire...

    I know, the naughty little tykes. Entire Christian communities scripturally justified slave ownership, the intimidation of black people, witch-killing, the subjugation of women in very large numbers...
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    And yet they did "behave in such a manner", in...

    And yet they did "behave in such a manner", in very large numbers and for many generations.
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    The undeniable fact is that very many Christians...

    The undeniable fact is that very many Christians and entire Christian communities DID justify their behavior re slavery, the intimidation of black people, witch-killing, the subjugation of women etc....
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    People of faith can read the bible so that...

    People of faith can read the bible so that virtually any perspective on current issues will find some support in the bible. Because much of the bible can be made to reinforce what the society of the...
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    Well, contrary to your opinion, “to get...

    Well, contrary to your opinion, “to get acquainted with” is the translation of the New International Version (NIV). This modern translation was done by top bible scholars using the earliest, highest...
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    No he doesn't. He says: "Then after three...

    No he doesn't. He says: "Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Cephas and stayed with him fifteen days - Galatians 1:18 New International Version (NIV). As you...
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    Empirical testing can confirm objective reality...

    Empirical testing can confirm objective reality to a very large degree. There is no other way to confirm “objective reality” than by empirical testing.



    But we CAN recognize in others that...
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    "I did not receive it from any man, nor was I...

    "I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ". Galatians 1.12.
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    One would expect nothing less from Robert Van...

    One would expect nothing less from Robert Van Voorst - Professor of New Testament Studies at Western Theological Seminary, the Mission Statement of which reads: "All members of the Western Seminary...
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    The Bible is not a reliable historical source...

    The Bible is not a reliable historical source because it does not meet the standard criteria of source reliability used by historians, namely 'historical critical methodology'.
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    No, our subjective experiences are the...

    No, our subjective experiences are the consequence of the physical activity of our brains as programmed by our genes, our social conditioning and level of education. This need not apply to objective...
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    The divinity of Jesus was a crucial component of...

    The divinity of Jesus was a crucial component of the debate. "The Council of Nicaea was the first council in the history of the Christian church that was intended to address the entire body of...
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    What was “clarified” at Nicaea in 325 and...

    What was “clarified” at Nicaea in 325 and Constantinople in 381 plus numerous other bitterly argued church councils was HOW the man Jesus could be God in a monotheistic religion that already had its...
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    Your “subjective experience” is a measure of what...

    Your “subjective experience” is a measure of what you personally perceive and understand as a consequence of the physical activity of your brain as programmed by your genes, your social conditioning...
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    The fact that B-Theory “doesn't make that much...

    The fact that B-Theory “doesn't make that much sense to you in terms of your experience of yourself is irrelevant. Your subjective experience is not the measure of all things.

    Despite your...
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    Obviously, Jesus fathered himself. :smile:

    Obviously, Jesus fathered himself. :smile:
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    Just as well you are not arguing that. Because...

    Just as well you are not arguing that. Because what is being argued is that the divinity of Jesus as presented in the Nicene doctrine of the Trinity (i.e. that God is one God but three co-eternal,...
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    Ah the divine mystery of it all. Given the...

    Ah the divine mystery of it all. Given the Christian doctrine of the Trinity holds that God is one God but three co-eternal con-substantial persons, when “Jesus was on earth praying to his father in...
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    Ah yes, the dreaded “Filioque clause”, one of the...

    Ah yes, the dreaded “Filioque clause”, one of the major causes of the schism between the Eastern and Western churches. The Western church proclaims that the Holy Spirit must process from both the...
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