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    Men of high caliber would not betray their...

    Men of high caliber would not betray their Commander in Chief by ignoring direct orders and taking it upon themselves to implement their own "shadow" international policy.
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    Lots of accusations, but no evidence that any...

    Lots of accusations, but no evidence that any crimes were committed. :shrug:
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    Here is a complete list of crimes Trump has...

    Here is a complete list of crimes Trump has committed since winning the presidency:
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    So you're asking me if I would still shrug it off...

    So you're asking me if I would still shrug it off if we found out it was written by someone with no credibility and a treasonous bent like John Kelly who ignored direct orders and tried to establish...
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    Isn't that a Swedish prison where Johnny Cash...

    Isn't that a Swedish prison where Johnny Cash once held a concert?

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    The only problem with that analogy is that in the...

    The only problem with that analogy is that in the story, the wolf actually shows up. I'm not certain the wolf will ever show up in Trump's version.
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    "There was no pressure or blackmail from the U.S....

    "There was no pressure or blackmail from the U.S."
    -President Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukraine
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    In that case, you won't mind sharing your full...

    In that case, you won't mind sharing your full name and other personal details like where you live and work.

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    We're not minimizing anything. We're simply...

    We're not minimizing anything. We're simply pointing out what Trump actually did as opposed to what he is accused of doing.

    But it's like:

    Liberals: "Trump eats babies for breakfast!"...
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    Not according to the testimony we've seen. ...

    Not according to the testimony we've seen.

    When Vindlan was challenged to support his claim that Trump demanded that Ukraine investigate Biden, he spent several minutes looking through the call...
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    ^And this is your brain when you can't dispute...

    ^And this is your brain when you can't dispute the facts of a story and fall back on the genetic fallacy.
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    If you're going to dismiss a story as "fake news"...

    If you're going to dismiss a story as "fake news" then I expect you to be able to point out at least one thing in the story that's false.
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    Today democrat Representative Eric Swalwell...

    Today democrat Representative Eric Swalwell appears on Face The Nation to discuss his ongoing efforts as part of the impeachment agenda. Within the interview Swalwell has a little Freudian slip...
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    Right, because all Hillary did was use the...

    Right, because all Hillary did was use the "wrong" email. That's like saying that a guy who recklessly drove 90mph through a 20mph school zone merely went the "wrong" speed.
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    I've been waiting for someone to make that...

    I've been waiting for someone to make that specious argument, and I figured it would be you. :lol:

    There is, of course, a significant difference between someone like you and me posting anonymously...
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    Ambassador Gordon Sondland never had any...

    Ambassador Gordon Sondland never had any firsthand knowledge of any “quid pro quo” involving U.S. military aid for Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine conducting investigations, according to his recently...
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    Yet it's liberals who dominate the news and...

    Yet it's liberals who dominate the news and entertainment market and therefore have the loudest bullhorn.
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    If you're going to burn straw men, at least have...

    If you're going to burn straw men, at least have the decency to open the window to clear the air afterwards.
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    First of all, Sondland testified that "I did not...

    First of all, Sondland testified that "I did not know (and still do not know) when, why, or by whom the aid was suspended."

    Secondly, according to his testimony, he only suggested that it was a...
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    Sondland: "I did not know (and still do not know)...

    Sondland: "I did not know (and still do not know) when, why, or by whom the aid was suspended."
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    So he's telling the truth... but not telling the...

    So he's telling the truth... but not telling the truth?

    :huh:

    But then when you read his testimony, he says that he told his Ukrainian counterpart that the aid was "likely" (his exact word)...
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    Which circles back to my point: What's there to...

    Which circles back to my point: What's there to investigate when Cohen presumably gave up everything on his former client, including secret recordings of Trump discussing the payments? Why go after...
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    And we know based on Sondland's own testimony...

    And we know based on Sondland's own testimony that it was merely his presumption, and that he really can't say where he got the idea from. Even more curious is that his later recollection...
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    He said quite clearly that he presumed it. His...

    He said quite clearly that he presumed it. His exact words:

    "I presumed that the aid suspension had become linked to the proposed anticorruption statement."

    It bears repeating: presumptions...
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    None of that changes the fact that Sondland's...

    None of that changes the fact that Sondland's testimony is full of statements like "I presume" and "I came to understand" that any half-way competent attorney would home in on and destroy. I can...
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