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hristian denominations around the world have taught that Jesus Christ is the ‘LOGOS’ or the ‘WORD’ in John 1:1 for more than 1700 years. A recently released study by The Fellowship of Apostles...

Thank you for your story, littlejoe, but what about your experience can you extend to an atheist like Dan? Perhaps Dan would like to ask why your experience can be sorted as valid from, say, a Muslim...

Appreciate the response, Dan! I'm glad to see you've looked past my grouchiness today and that you haven't yourself fallen in line with Dawkins' mandate to only respond to believers with ridicule. I...

Hi, NORM,

I'm admittedly in a particularly grouchy mood against popular scientism today, but I fail to see how I have been uncivil to Dan in particular.

I also fail to see how this post...

A defamation is actually what I intend here, so I'm not bothered by that particular critique at all.

The procedure of the scientific method itself is not at all perverted; I never said that....

Because empiricism as the sole and precedent mode of knowledge is a false and perverted idea.

If causes are only of the material and from the material, then how can you be in any way justified applying to the future what you've learned in the past? By what justification can you extend the...

Translation: only empirically validated hypotheses will be accepted, and so God is ruled out since more anthropomorphic versions have not in fact been verified and classical theological versions...

(not that all literal-fire believers are this way but you catch my drift)

Translation: "you're not a fundie?!? NO FAIR!"

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My severe case of Adult ADHD kicked in a couple of lines in, so ppppppplease don't tag me if I missed a curse word in here. I don't think there's been anything that made me tune out faster than this...

Hi Tech,

Science does not say things can occur without a cause. If you're talking about the initial state of the universe, all science may be able to say is that a material cause is not implied,...

I'll give JP one guess as to who wrote this marvelous plate of verbal spaghetti:



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We should make a Monster Truck Rally commercial complete with the loud growling voice and large, flashy exciting text-overs.

I've never heard that "a dogmatic view that God does not exist" is not atheism. Certainly it isn't all of atheism, but what do you call people who dogmatically view that God does not exist? I think...

Right! I blame him!

Sorry, but posts in this thread like YM's clearly establish that sound and valid reasoning isn't a goal for this thread.

If modern-day atheism is defined through metaphysical naturalism, in which no view other than the blind (goal-less) changing of life on Earth and the existence of the universe without cause or...

I'm having trouble organizing what it is that the East exactly believes. I've seen anywhere from "basically Catholic without the Pope" to "completely different philosophy and Christology." It's...

I think out of all the things I listed above, this is the one that made me the most miserable, and still makes me so. Nothing says pride like admitting you were incorrect about a position you held...

Yes, that sounds like a familiar emotion. Not that I am ashamed to be one now, but more that I miss getting ridiculously drunk, cursing, sitting on the judgment seat of God all by myself, having no...

In all seriousness, this was precisely my problem.

It was Zeitgeist! Or maybe Loose Change ... I can't remember? Whichever one has three parts with the first part being the Christ myth theory is the one I watched. Yup, Googled it out to Zeitgeist....

Thanks for the encouragement! I knew some folks would be happy for me, but I never expected this to be so warm. As I dip cautiously into the non-theology end of the pool for the first time, I've...

I LOL'd.

If you read some of the open letters on their website (not linked for language, of course), you'll find one written to the Primitive Baptists that involves page after page of bragging about what...

Right. I don't think it makes much sense for God to say, "whoops! Adam sinned. Hey Jesus, could you do Me a little favor?" But at the same time, it's important to not equate foreordination with cause...

Pixie - I think my earlier comments stand to the criticism you posted, but to illustrate the connection asked in this particular objection, assume a is necessary; it is enough to say that if a is...

This is more likely Rayado's purvey at this point, but I should attempt to defend my conclusion to the best of my meager knowledge; take it with a grain of salt unless someone else can back me up on...

... well, yeah, I think you can, in a way. That's Anselm's old argument. If x is necessary, then it exists in every possible world (including the actual). So if it is possible that a necessary being...

I may be misquoting him, but it seems like the argument Leonhard puts forth is quite similar to the KCA, except that L. proposes the cause is impersonal rather than personal.






But even...

Nah, I knew. That's why I threw in the Star Wars reference. But I think he is serious in his intention of presenting a possible impersonal cause of the universe.




If you mean God can...

I'm no expert and can't answer for Craig, but that wouldn't imply any change in God's inherent nature IMO.

Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe there's one all-powerful Vortex that created existence,...

Note that this statement could be completely true (in some cases, I agree with you that it is), but there could still be no God.

Title should read "existence of God," not "existance of God."

http://www.reasonablefaith.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=8869

Anyway, I've grown to like the method since it will point out to some people when they are being foolish. In many cases, the...

Natural - an event or entity whose cause is entirely due to mechanisms of the material universe.

Supernatural - an event or entity whose cause is due at least in part to mechanisms outside the...

This is likely what will happen to me after I reach level 25 or so. I'm expecting it, haha. Until then, though, I'd like to play around a bit on a videyah game. It's been years, and I like the social...

Wait, huh?

Hah, reading comprehension fail on my part

Hey guys. I'm getting back into WoW a little bit. What servers does everyone play on nowadays? No PvP please; I'm a wus :ahem:

Isn't Slick a Calvinist? I thought Reformed believed that all demons were bound, all miracles have stopped, and basically all the magic in the world has ceased in lieu of missionary action until the...

No, the fundamental basis of atheism is that no god exists. There could still be an afterlife and immortality of some sort without God existing. Some forms of Buddhism actually aim for this ultimate...

It took you guys THIS many posts 'till Godwin? Slackers.

OK, I haven't read the rest of this thread, but I'm going to guess you're aiming at Aquinas' teleological argumentation (i.e. Final Causation) and that nobody on the opposing side actually gets that,...

Assuming Matt is not intentionally embellishing the tale - and knowing Matt, he probably is not - I'd say selective memory has a place here. Matt probably heard a description similar to his mother's...

I'm thinking more of a traditional view that the Bible is meant to be taken literally unless it is obvious from the textual and/or historical context that hyperbole or illustrative language is being...

I don't think Lewis hit the mark here. As far as I've gathered, God's ultimate end is His own glorification under the traditional Christian system, not giving human beings whatever they want.