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I have spent a little bit more time digesting this and I came across this by NT Wright

“Evil then consists not in being created but in the rebellious idolatry by which humans worship and honor...

ok. This makes a lot more sense, thanks.



I have heard this mentioned a number of times. I recently came across this again in Peter Enn's book, "The Evolution of Adam". I am not sure whether...

That is a fascinating observation.

This seems to ignore that bears maul and maim humans, snakes also bite people as well. Humans ignite kittens and mutilate animals for sport. Am I missing something?



Your comments are greatly...

Are you suggesting that God prescribed a meal of fruits, nuts and berries just for convenience sake?

I'm so thankful for you.

There is a lot to digest here.

I don't think many YEC would argue that entropy didn't exist. The ToL served to counter it, but in OEC/etc death is a part of the intended cycle not a consequence. ...

Thanks for the clarification. Your answer about bacteria is very interesting, thank you. How do you interpret the Edenic paradise specifically regarding suffering and violence (even for sustenance)?

If I understand you correctly, death that is the enemy is spiritual death and not so much physical death, is this correct?
In your view how do you understand suffering prior to Adam and Eve?

An image of a breast will instinctually create serial breastfeeders to roam the streets. Of course the tragedy in Colorado would have been a waste unless you could use to promote your agenda. Feel...

It is fun and exciting. As long as there are no images of breasts, because that would be immoral.

Yes, you did. This response has helped tremendously. Thanks for the clarification.

I'd like to squeeze out a few more questions but they wouldn't be relevant to this thread and I should give...

I'm throwing this into the front page news.

As I've shared elsewhere, my prayer is:

Jesus, please be with these victims, their families, the shooter and all those affected by this tragedy....

I had some time to marinate on this and Im thinking out loud here. Let me know if this is where your point was headed.

Death is a natural process and for a number of reasons, an opposition and...

Besides the constant reference to it being an "enemy" by Jesus, Paul and John? Pretty much just that.



So, would you say sin entered before higher-consciousness?

You've spent some time in this area, apparently. Thanks for all the input.

Yes it is.



I can fully agree with this.



I may be putting too much of an emphasis on what I understand based on the reactions of Jesus and Paul and much of the overall Biblical attitude...

How do you view a lion devouring a gazelle or bacteria slowly eating away at the flesh of a child? Are these beautiful natural processes that declare the glory of God?

So is this accurate? Jesus as God opposed death because He is human and that is what humans do, but God the above human stuff doesn't oppose death because He is above human stuff?

Fair enough, moving on.



If I understand you correct, you are suggesting that death being evil is culturally relative. I see validity with your conclusion but don't find it necessary or...

Assuming Jesus is God (which I do) this does not make sense. Maybe you don't make that assumption so it is more agreeable to you, but granting that Jesus is God, simply mourning the loss of a friend...

I don't actually.



I fail to see the point. We conclude that Christianity did not originally develop this theme or even borrowed it from other cultures (namely Judaism), how does this negate...

Ha! That is awesome.



Fair enough, the quick response was highly entertaining nonetheless.



Do you take any approach to reconciling this with Jesus opposing death and Paul and John's...

I was really hoping to attract Tiggy and Jorge.

Actually I was in this section and created the thread without a great deal of thought to my surroundings.



I appreciate the well thought...

Do you believe that entropy no longer exists or is reversed after the resurrection?

I recall NT Wright speculating something along those lines using Rev 22:2 as a source text.



Why do you...

First, I haven't checked if this question has been discussed ad nauseum so I apologize in advance. I am interested in how non-YEC understand death and specifically, death by design by a benevolent...

That seems far too speculative to make such a conclusion.

It sounds more like a failure of religion than a praise to Dawkins.

That you have such a great relationship with your neighbors is fantastic.

:lol: the condescension is breathtaking.

I greatly respect your decision and the discipline to be a faithful witness. I also respectfully disagree that this honors Christ. As a rule, it keeps your nose clean from being accused of any...

I would never suggest this as a critique of you or your husband and I am sure there is valid concern and reasons for the decision.

I believe it is possible, but it is discouraged because of a...

I would note that the context is primarily a contrast of God's plans and deeds for mercy and willingness to include and forgive against our own willingness to exclude and judge.

cold blooded.

wow, my first post was just a rip off of his speech.

Is this it?

I was way off, Ralph Winter Evolution: Evolved or Involved if you are interested. Thanks for the link.

Are you familiar enough to know if there others who corroborate his conclusions?

All that without actually reading the book? Anyway Denis Lamoureux, is he the one who proposes that angels had direct involvement in the evolutionary process, and evidenced the results of the...

There is a vast difference between blessing someone who offends you out of love for your neighbor, and asking forgiveness from your offender because you think you are wretched and deserve worst than...

How is this different from any other religious fundamentalism? Scientology and Farrakhan may be dangerous, but so is any other religious thought that leads its adherents to torture and slaughter in...

Would it be fair to say then, God elects those who choose to follow Him so those who refuse are not elect?



That isn't the only reason not to I would hope.

All I was saying is it goes both...

You could watch the lecture and decide if the book is worth a purchase. I'd be interested in thoughtful feedback either way.

he ain't playin!

You are very welcome.

Ive got his ebook The Evolution of Adam, What the Bible Does and Doesn't Say about Human Origins in my library, but I haven't read it yet. I've browsed the thread and it...

With the Evidence for a young Earth thread now exceeding 1000 posts, I thought this video lecture by Peter Enns would be apropos and hopefully add to the conversation.

"The Challenge of a...

ok

You say that the question is not legitimate but I do not see an explanation why. I would be equally grateful to you or any of the other participants to explain why this is an illegitimate question....

Yes, thank you.

My dear brother, Arsenios sometimes says things that sound very pious but is sorely narcissistic in his self-loathing. I think he needs a big hug because Jesus loves him.