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    Quran and "mainstream" Christianity---As...

    Quran and "mainstream" Christianity---As explained already, The main purpose of the Quran is to persuade peoples towards the concept of One God. It may dent your ego, but....the main purpose of the...
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    "Wild idea"---An Atheist might claim that those...

    "Wild idea"---An Atheist might claim that those who believe in God are "clinging" to an unproven "wild idea" too. I believe in God, I believe the Quran is from God, I believe God would know who was...
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    1) Crucifixion---If I were to concede that a...

    1) Crucifixion---If I were to concede that a crucifixion occurred and it appeared that Jesus son of Mary was crucified---it still would not make any difference as this event holds no meaning within...
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKgL92yqygk ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKgL92yqygk



    Cultural bias is an actual phenomenon and for a long time there was a presumption among Western Academia that their methods of knowledge production...
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    1) "Orientalism" as a cultural/academic...

    1) "Orientalism" as a cultural/academic bias/prejudice was highlighted by Edward Said.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Said
    As a cultural critic, Said is known for the book Orientalism (1978),...
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    Toxic prejudice is bad and all humanity suffers...

    Toxic prejudice is bad and all humanity suffers from it---in our times Religio-Nationalism/patriotism has caused much damage to humanity---for example the Burmese (Buddhist) genocide against the...
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    What I meant was that Christianity and its value...

    What I meant was that Christianity and its value judgements and criterias should not be used as some default blueprint for Non-Christian traditions. Likewise---Western academic "traditions" are not...
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    "We do not build Christian theology out of thin...

    "We do not build Christian theology out of thin air. "---that might be a matter of opinion. Foretelling the future may be important for a Christian as a criteria but not for a Non-Christian.
    It is...
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    So you are claiming that your New Testament is a...

    So you are claiming that your New Testament is a history book and not about theology?
    The Quran is not about history therefore the stories it uses for the purpose of elucidating its message need not...
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    Actually, I was not talking about the source---I...

    Actually, I was not talking about the source---I asked where compassion and mercy FIT in a world-view in which all humanity was inherently evil and its actions deliberately malicious.
    So...you are...
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    @ Dan According to your interpretation of S5v116...

    @ Dan
    According to your interpretation of S5v116 --- the Quran is in error, I see differently....

    According to you---John 20 v28, Thomas is claiming Jesus to be God...(Not something Jesus himself...
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    In surah 5 (as in others) the Quran addresses a...

    In surah 5 (as in others) the Quran addresses a diverse audience from the Nasariya (translated as "Christian") to "the people of the Book", to "the Believers" ....etc...etc....

    The Quran is not a...
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    1) I agree. (The Trinity is addressed in another...

    1) I agree. (The Trinity is addressed in another verse---not the one we are discussing at the moment)

    2) That may be one way to see things---but keep in mind that the Prophet was a trader and well...
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    Other historians also have their opinions--- for...

    Other historians also have their opinions---
    for ex---
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestorianism
    Nestorius' teachings brought him into conflict with other prominent church leaders, most notably...
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    So why are Christians assuming it is...

    So why are Christians assuming it is addressing/reflecting this "mainstream Christianity"?
    In any case, as mentioned previously, "mainstream Christianity" should not have any complaints of the...
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    So while the Western Church began to form an...

    So while the Western Church began to form an Orthodoxy that became more or less established by the 4th C---the Eastern Churches were different?....right? From what little I can understand of...
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    The people researching the Quran today no longer...

    The people researching the Quran today no longer consider such things as "misunderstanding" ----putting aside the question of the "author" for the moment,---Those researching the Quran in the West...
  18. Thread: Original sin

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    Perhaps you are right....but..... It might be...

    Perhaps you are right....but.....
    It might be more logical to presume a person guilty until proven innocent if human beings are inherently evil. And some point out that, if you look at how Church...
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    The question was---where does compassion and...

    The question was---where does compassion and mercy fit into a worldview which presumes human beings are evil and their actions are deliberately malicious....Are you saying that only God is capable of...
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    perhaps because a Muslim---unlike the...

    perhaps because a Muslim---unlike the Christian---has no vested interest in Judaism. For the Christians, they have appropriated the old Testatment/Torah for their own theological purposes and have...
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    In this worldview where humans are inherently...

    In this worldview where humans are inherently evil and commit actions that are deliberately malicious---where does compassion and mercy fit in?
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    Perhaps Christian assumptions of "Jewish belief"...

    Perhaps Christian assumptions of "Jewish belief" and Jewish belief according to Jews may have differences?
    A generally predominant presumption among Jews is the concept of human beings made in...
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    Perhaps it is a matter of seeing the glass as...

    Perhaps it is a matter of seeing the glass as half full or half empty? Christianity is probably the only religion with the premise of original sin?---Judaism for example, does not have this concept....
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    https://podcasts.ox.ac.uk/quran-literature

    https://podcasts.ox.ac.uk/quran-literature
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    @DZ I do not know much about Christian doctrine...

    @DZ
    I do not know much about Christian doctrine or history---but Constantine is relevant to "Western" Church history? ---from what little I know---the Nestorian/Syriac Churches were already...
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