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    Nonsense Sean, they were all covering their ass...

    Nonsense Sean, they were all covering their ass at that point, no way they would give any credence to enhanced methods.
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    No, because everything I read information was...

    No, because everything I read information was gotten more quickly. Other methods take much longer. So if is time sensitive...




    Well we really don't know, do we...
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    I didn't say the information was necessarily...

    I didn't say the information was necessarily unique, only that the methods often worked. And he didn't have to save his ass, what he did was legal at the time. And since when do you buy into Senate...
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    From what I understand that wasn't about results...

    From what I understand that wasn't about results but methods. Which may have been quite brutal.
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    That is just false, they did work and often. You...

    That is just false, they did work and often. You want experts, read James Mitchell's book, and he was an expert. They got a lot of actionable intelligence. Of course the Senate was going to come to a...
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    No Sean, the OP is speaking of waterboarding and...

    No Sean, the OP is speaking of waterboarding and other "enhanced" measures like sleep derivation. These are the only things that James Mitchell was involved in, as far as I know. Of course there were...
  7. I go to God Jim, even if there disagreement in my...

    I go to God Jim, even if there disagreement in my world universal moral truths exist. Which until some one can show otherwise is the only source for these truths.







    Seems like semantics...
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    Are you saying the Supreme Court is never wrong?

    Are you saying the Supreme Court is never wrong?
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    No one knew it was illegal - you know why Jim?...

    No one knew it was illegal - you know why Jim? Because the Constitution NEVER ADDRESSES it! And you can't show where it does...
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    Again Jim, secession was not illegal, certainly...

    Again Jim, secession was not illegal, certainly not then. No matter what the court made up after the fact. It was not illegal when they did it...
  11. Tell me Jim, when there is a moral disagreement,...

    Tell me Jim, when there is a moral disagreement, apart from God, where do you go for the answer?



    I have no idea what that means.
  12. I think those penalties would be just, but a...

    I think those penalties would be just, but a society also should practice mercy.
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    From CNN no less...

    From CNN no less...
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    No Jim, the North would not leave after repeated...

    No Jim, the North would not leave after repeated requests to do so, and the South did not invade the the North. The North were the invaders.
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    Right, so if Texas decided to secede we should...

    Right, so if Texas decided to secede we should invade, kill a lot of Texans and force them to stay... Got it...
  16. I'm speaking to what Jim B. believes, not what...

    I'm speaking to what Jim B. believes, not what you believe.
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    Right, which gives a lie to their argument...

    Right, which gives a lie to their argument...
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    Jim, the Articles of the Confederation are not US...

    Jim, the Articles of the Confederation are not US law - period. And if you want to go there we can say that the South was following principles found in the Declaration. You have no argument. Also are...
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    Waterboard This...

    Sticking to his guns...
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    Again Jim, show me that in the Constitution,...

    Again Jim, show me that in the Constitution, after all the Court decided against Dred Scott, and up held racial segregation laws...
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    So it isn't about gun violence after all....

    So it isn't about gun violence after all....
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    Really? Show it to me in the Constitution, not...

    Really? Show it to me in the Constitution, not what some court made up after the fact.
  23. Thread: Guns and speech

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    Oh, OK...

    Oh, OK...
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    So? They still refused to leave. Again Bill, if...

    So? They still refused to leave. Again Bill, if England refused to leave a garrison that controlled the Boston harbor what would we have done? Yes, kicked them out. The South gave them a number of...
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