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    I read Kenneth Miller's book, "Finding Darwin's...

    I read Kenneth Miller's book, "Finding Darwin's God".

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    Well, I find that the arguments hold up pretty...

    Well, I find that the arguments hold up pretty well when I try them out. A little back history, I heard that Behe had been refuted, and I believed them, until I read his book. I found his arguments...
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    Well, I wouldn't know what I am unaware of! ...

    Well, I wouldn't know what I am unaware of!


    I've read books by biologists, by Behe in particular, and by Reasons to Believe, which address such issues, and am willing to read further, and...
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    No, what I said was this: Blessings, Lee

    No, what I said was this:



    Blessings,
    Lee
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    Well, you deemed it worthy of posting, to support...

    Well, you deemed it worthy of posting, to support your point--what are your qualifications to judge a peer reviewed article, may I ask in reply?


    I did, now please respond to my points--instead...
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    Well, interesting. Yet in the case of the protein...

    Well, interesting. Yet in the case of the protein Axe worked with, function and folds do seem related.

    ... given the importance of hydrophobic interactions to protein folding, it seems likely that...
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    So it's a simple scenario for a complex system,...

    So it's a simple scenario for a complex system, with acknowledged problems. In addition, his figure 6 ("Time-line phylogeny for appearance (and disappearance) of various clotting factors during the...
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    As I wrote in Darwin's Black Box (Behe 1996, 86),...

    As I wrote in Darwin's Black Box (Behe 1996, 86), the problem of blood clotting is not in just forming a clot--any precipitated protein might plug a hole. Rather the problem is regulation. The...
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    Yet function implies a fold, does it not? ...

    Yet function implies a fold, does it not?

    Since tertiary structure is needed for a typical enzyme active site to form, one way to obtain this estimate is to measure the prevalence of sequences...
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    Well, repentance and faith, right? (Mark 1:15)...

    Well, repentance and faith, right? (Mark 1:15) And repentance and faith is our first act of obedience.

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    Surely function was being selected for...

    Surely function was being selected for throughout! A uniform environment does not mean that selection ceases.

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    I think that's compatible with what I said--I...

    I think that's compatible with what I said--I agree.


    See above, in my reply to The Lurch.


    Well, if it's a long way to new function, with multiple mutations, then the mutations are probably...
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    So he hoodwinked the editors of the Journal of...

    So he hoodwinked the editors of the Journal of Molecular Biology? What you just stated would not seem worthy of publication.


    Sure it does, varying the areas of structure in the protein would be...
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    Healing and help... Blessings, Lee

    Healing and help...

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    Though you have to get to new function in order...

    Though you have to get to new function in order for multiple mutations to be selected positively, and Axe shows that new function is generally far away. So the mutations are probably independent.

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    Yes and no, repentance is calling people to...

    Yes and no, repentance is calling people to obedience, thus Paul can speak of those who "obey the gospel" (2 Th. 1:8).

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    So we can evaluate his arguments, let's try to do...

    So we can evaluate his arguments, let's try to do so...

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    But these two arguments are not mutually...

    But these two arguments are not mutually exclusive, included in the argument here is that the environment stays basically the same.


    But the timeframe of mutations doesn't much matter, if the...
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    Mercy to her, and the Lord's healing touch...

    Mercy to her, and the Lord's healing touch...
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    Well, it's close enough, if you started with...

    Well, it's close enough, if you started with function, which presumably was selected.


    Multiple point mutations are rare?! I must be misunderstanding you, because a number of genes have multiple...
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    Yet we read in Hebrews: "And having been made...

    Yet we read in Hebrews: "And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation..." (Heb. 5:9)

    Blessings,
    Lee
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    I think saying Rom. 10 means "Jesus is YHWH" is...

    I think saying Rom. 10 means "Jesus is YHWH" is far-fetched! And even in the context of Rom. 10, Lord is clearly meaning "Lord":

    "For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same...
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    "Jesus is Lord" is the text, I believe this is a...

    "Jesus is Lord" is the text, I believe this is a confession of obedience.

    "Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?" (Lk 6:46)

    So calling Jesus Lord implies obedience...
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    Well, sanctification is not defined as whether...

    Well, sanctification is not defined as whether you take Jesus as Lord! Now submission is a process, but taking Jesus as Lord is part of the start of salvation, I believe.

    "If you declare with your...
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    Well, the discussion in Axe's paper is about the...

    Well, the discussion in Axe's paper is about the frequency of viable proteins in protein space. And my point is that function is what evolution selects for, which should be rather indisputable. So...
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