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    If I understand the comments, we shouldn't limit our consideration to the verses quoted, and 1 Enoch isn't necessarily inspired. Okay. Does the similar imagery and ideas in the NT mean anything? If...
  2. How does the book of 1 Enoch contribute to our understanding of the Millennium?

    There are several places in 1 Enoch that sound similar to Revelation 20. Here are a few passages.



    It appears that 1 Enoch is alluded to in the NT.

    cf. Mat 25:41, 1 Pe 3:19-20, 2 Pet 2:4,...
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    "Would this be a relatively accurate, rough...

    "Would this be a relatively accurate, rough summation of the historical-critical position in relation to eschatology?"

    I think your assessment is fair. Bart Ehrman a historical-critical scholar...
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    I guess so.

    I guess so.
  5. In my view, the Word of God is God's revelation....

    In my view, the Word of God is God's revelation. We should respond to that revelation with faith. Truths about God are truths from God. We can dissect the Bible into individual words and maybe even...
  6. Even if we didn't have the scriptures we could...

    Even if we didn't have the scriptures we could understand God from nature. This is called "general revelation."

    Rom 1:19* Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath...
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    I had pretty much ignored the 9/23/2017 hubbub,...

    I had pretty much ignored the 9/23/2017 hubbub, but I decided to read "The Revelation 12 Sign" by Phil Moser and find out what it is all about. Revelation 12:1-5 supposedly portrays an astronomical...
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    Actually, Christ is interpreted as a horn as well.

    Actually, Christ is interpreted as a horn as well.
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    I mean the heads of course. The heads are kings...

    I mean the heads of course. The heads are kings and mountains so the horns and kings are also open to interpretation. All the imagery comes from Daniel. Christ is shown as a mountain and kingdom...
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    The sea is the battle of faith (people). The...

    The sea is the battle of faith (people). The horns are referred to as mountains. Satan lives in the hearts of men.
    Christ is also a mountain and kingdom. (Dan 2)
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    Sorry that I wasn't more clear. Earthly judgments...

    Sorry that I wasn't more clear. Earthly judgments are earthly judgments. As Jesus said;

    Joh_16:33* These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have...
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    I think you challenged me with some verses that...

    I think you challenged me with some verses that were part of your idea as if I should know that your ideas were right. I need to be a nitpicker to find out the validity of what you're saying....
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    If the 144,000 are in heaven and earth at the...

    If the 144,000 are in heaven and earth at the same time, is Mt. Sion heavenly, earthly, or also both? Is God's kingdom also in heaven and earth? If so why don't you show it in (1)?
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    In ch 12 most of the action is on earth after...

    In ch 12 most of the action is on earth after verse 7, and yet you don't include it in (2).
    2 and 3 are about God's earthly kingdom, and yet chs. 14 and 15 begin in heaven. To me this makes your...
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    You're talking about 11:2-3, and 13:5. What about...

    You're talking about 11:2-3, and 13:5. What about 12:6?

    Rev 12:6* And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two...
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    How do you know that the vials occur at the end...

    How do you know that the vials occur at the end of the trumpets? Where does 11:18 come in?
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    Is that why you didn't respond to my earlier post...

    Is that why you didn't respond to my earlier post about 11:18? Because you don't have all the answers? I don't think anybody does, but it seems to me a little presumptious to divide Revelation into a...
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    I said that where the church fathers relied on...

    I said that where the church fathers relied on the teaching tradition of the apostles they were correct. That's what has to be discerned. Hippolytus wasn't the only one to teach about the end times.
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    In the end of chapter 11 His wrath is come, the...

    In the end of chapter 11 His wrath is come, the dead have been judged, the saints have been rewarded, and the earth has been destroyed (11:18). That's why the earliest interpreters felt Revelation...
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    You should know that is your interpretation and...

    You should know that is your interpretation and not everybody agrees with it. It is that of whatever modern system you believe in.

    2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture...
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    Here is a quote from the oldest commentary on...

    Here is a quote from the oldest commentary on Revelation, Victorinus.



    Perhaps Victorinus and I aren't familiar with the text, but William Lane Craig has a Ph.D. in Philosophy from Cambridge...
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    If you see Revelation as a sequential string of...

    If you see Revelation as a sequential string of events, like the dispensationalists, maybe that's true. The early church taught recapitulation in Revelation. Reading it in a sequential way is more of...
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    Perhaps you don't believe in the teaching...

    Perhaps you don't believe in the teaching tradition of the apostles? The apostles taught the early church and nobody paid attention?

    BTW, speaking of different opinions, I think William Craig's...
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    I think the way to make the correct...

    I think the way to make the correct interpretation is to look for the teaching tradition of the apostles in the early church. That's why I gave the quote from Hippolytus. The church fathers may not...
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    It's true that God made the heavenly lights, "Let...

    It's true that God made the heavenly lights, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years,...
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