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    I have been arguing against determinism right...

    I have been arguing against determinism right along, that it is not compatible with rationality.




    So you don't believe that the ability to choose otherwise is viable or possible?
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    But I believe in free will. As we...

    But I believe in free will.




    As we discussed in the past the free will of compatibilism is not free will in the libertarian sense (ability to choose otherwise).
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    Why do you think he ran from Potiphar's wife?

    Why do you think he ran from Potiphar's wife?
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    I think that would hurt...

    I think that would hurt...
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    He already put his foot in his mouth:...

    He already put his foot in his mouth: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?19743-Can-Atheism-Account-For-Rationality/page15
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    Shuny, just stop....

    Shuny, just stop....
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    Carp if you are determined to believe that 2+2=5...

    Carp if you are determined to believe that 2+2=5 how is that rational?
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    You mean like what people like Sam Harris are...

    You mean like what people like Sam Harris are Steve Pinker are proposing? Are they smoking something too Shuny?

    What Neuroscience Says about Free Will

    We're convinced that it exists, but new...
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    Of course they are all driven by genetics if...

    Of course they are all driven by genetics if materialism is true - what else is there?



    I'm not sure what you think wouldn't be determined, even with an infinite number of possible results?
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    How are we rational if we are biologically...

    How are we rational if we are biologically determined? Don't we too simply obey?
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    Nothing idiot. Are the decisions of the...

    Nothing idiot.



    Are the decisions of the people determined or free? And if determined what is actually making the decisions? Blind genetics based on antecedent conditions?
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    And that is the point Carp, what decides if we...

    And that is the point Carp, what decides if we are making sense. My brain fizzes theistic your brain fizzes atheistic. These conclusion, at bottom, are not reason based, they are genetically based....
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    Somewhat...

    Somewhat...
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    You are missing my point. A deterministic process...

    You are missing my point. A deterministic process could in theory create creatures that act rationally, generally. But we don't make rational choices or decisions because they are rational or right,...
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    Except, you can see if determinism is true...

    Except, you can see if determinism is true rationality gets lost. You would not choose A because there were good rational reasons, but because you were determined to by antecedent conditions.
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    A big amen!

    A big amen!
  19. Are you wicked Shuny, or just stupid? Everyone...

    Are you wicked Shuny, or just stupid? Everyone else here understood my point...
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    Some how I don't think it is that simple...

    Some how I don't think it is that simple...
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    Again Carp, the point is if materialism is true...

    Again Carp, the point is if materialism is true you are determined to make the choices you do because of antecedent conditions, not because of the rationality involved. There is nothing to break the...
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    It is nonsense.

    It is nonsense.
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    Conceptual logical truths only exist in minds....

    Conceptual logical truths only exist in minds. Unless you have something else?
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    Again Carp, a computer does not choose the right...

    Again Carp, a computer does not choose the right answer BECAUSE it is right, but because it was programmed so, no matter how complex. It was determined to do so, and if programmed incorrectly it...
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    Yes it does, the computer only chooses the...

    Yes it does, the computer only chooses the correct answer because it was programmed by a free will intelligence to do so. The point is, even if the computer could choose the right answer it does not...
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