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In any case Alter2Ego you should change your faith designation to "Christian (other)" since your beliefs are not in line with orthodox teachings regarding the nature of Jesus and God. :shrug:

Of course, I don't think the concept of the Memra has absolutely no similarities with the Stoic concept of the "Logos", but only that when trying to understand the term Logos in the gospel of John...

http://www.foundationsmin.org/studies/memra.htm

Here's a pretty good introduction to the concept of the Memra of the Lord, and how it relates to the concept of the Trinity.

IMO The theory that "Logos" is a translation of the targumic concept of "the Memra of the Lord" is much more attractive to me, rather than the philosophical concept of the Logos in Greek philosophy....

You're correct, that does seem to indicate that Jesus was acting out his role as judge and final authority, atleast to some extent. I hadn't thought of that. Though we're still left with comments...

Sure, Jesus is the final authority and judge, but I don't actually think that Jesus was acting out that role in his earthly life, rather than at his vindication being set at the right hand of God,...

Unlike R. T. France, I'm not a highly educated NT scholar (I'm not a scholar at all), but some of his conclusions struck me as quite weird.



In the first paragraph, he writes "The "brother or...

http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/moros.html

Not one? I guess if you only rely on the synoptic gospels you could possibly come to that conclusion, but John's gospel records that "the Beloved disciple" believed when he saw the empty tomb. (John...

Repent: This is turning from unbelief to faith.

Now _crown_ him in your hearts as Lord and Christ: We believe that Jesus is Lord because of faith. We cannot believe that Jesus is Lord and Christ...

I don't think there is much of a difference. God granting repentance and faith is pretty much done in one action by God, ITSM. :shrug:

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 leads me to believe that we cannot of ourselves believe in the gospel of Christ, but that God must work repentance in us.

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to...

That's certainly a possibility, but passages like 2 Tim 2:25 and Acts 11:18 seem to me to read more naturally as God granting repentance, rather than just presenting unbelievers with the truth in...

But the Gentiles received the HS before they even had a chance to actively turn away from sin, which means that repentance must be a change/act of mind leading to the turning away from sin, it's not...

Jonah was a prophet of the Lord, Joseph Smith was a charlatan and fraud.

There are some things which must be resolved here:

1. Whether or not repentance is an act of the mind, leading to turning away from sin, or the act of the mind in conjunction with turning away...

You wouldn't know true love if it slammed you in the head with the Scriptures.

That was a nice rendition. Another suberb rendition is by Fernando Ortega:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU1u6Lmz27A

If exposing the damnable heresies of people like Jo and Vivian is insulting, then I will gladly insult them to the day I die if it means that I will have saved someone from being hellbound due to one...

I have to admit I'm skeptical as well, but I'd rather give him too many chances, rather than too few chances. :shrug:

CP and Cerebrum might have made their judgements of you already, but I have not decided if I think you're deceived, or if you're just trolling.

I can see that there is nothing of God in what Vivian, Frank, Jo and you say, by putting it under the standard of Scripture, does that answer your question? Likewise, anyone who preaches the true...

The only notions of the spiritual man and natural man I'm interested in are the biblical notions. Any other, unbiblical concepts of these notions comes from the Devil, or the imagination of man.

Define what you mean by "seeing God in people and things".

I think that falls into the lying option. :shrug:

There is nothing in the Bible that teaches anything like what you describe above. Anyone who does not have the Holy Spirit indwelling them is a natural man.

The Trinity is taught in the Bible.



In other words, you are not interested in receiving the Holy Spirit.



Correct, it is not based on the faith a human has, it's based on the faith which...

But by your own admission, you do not have the Holy Spirit, which means that there are not many options left. Either you're lying, mistaken, or deceived by an evil spirit when you claim to be able to...

I'm sorry, but 1 Cor 2:10-16 shows that this is not possible.

Then start reading your Bible, repent of your unbelief and put your faith in Jesus Christ and his finished work on the cross. Nothing else will do. Afterwards, if you have not yet been baptised in...

So let me get this straight. By your own admission, you claim that you do not have the Spirit of God, yet you claim to be able to "see God in anything or anyone"?

For to us God revealed them...

Jesus rebuked the lawyers of his day, claiming that they were accomplices to the murders of the prophets perpetrated by their forefathers:

But He said, "Woe to you lawyers as well! For you weigh...

I think this passage explains it, atleast to some extent:

but Christ was faithful as a Son over His house--whose house we are, if we hold fast our confidence and the boast of our hope firm until...

As usual you spout nonsense. Coming into, and walking in the Light does not refer to any gnostic nonsense, but to walking in the Light, who is God, confessing our sins so that they can be forgiven...

But Mickiel, I do not believe that I made myself alive in (and with) Christ, I fully agree with you that it was God that did this. But the way He did it was through the preaching of the gospel. (Rom...

It's an unfortunate side effect that the gracious permission of the forum owners to let heretics like you have a section on these forums that it enables you to seduce unsuspecting persons into...

And I have tried to lay out the way by which one can receive the Holy Spirit in my posts to you and Jo (post #515). Unless you submit yourself to the message of the gospel in faith, you will never...

You're reading the passage wrongly, it is the bond-servant, (presumably a the minister of the word, seeing as he should be able to teach), who should be able to "[correct] those who are in...

For what it's worth, I think this passage is probably relevant to the discussion, if it has not been brought up yet:

The Lord's bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to...

Christ indwells us through his Spirit, who we receive by hearing [the gospel] by faith. (Gal 3)

If you do not not have God's Spirit, it is because you do not believe in the Gospel. You cited Col 4:12, but don't forget what Paul writes in the first chapter:

We give thanks to God, the Father...

Overcoming hate is indeed possible, but only after receiving the Spirit of Christ through faith, which Romans 5 and Galatians 3 makes perfectly clear:

You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched...

He should listen to no man, including you. Which means that he should not listen to you when you assert that he should listen to no man.





It's always interesting to see someone contradict...

The way you twist and distort what CP wrote it's no wonder you left orthodoxy.

Is that your idea of a hamster impression? :noid:

Sometimes you know you really shouldn't read YT comments, but that scroll-wheel on the mouse looks so enticing.

Maybe you're just looking in all the wrong places? Besides, I'd make a distinction between someone who only assents intellectually to the orthodox teachings, and someone who believes it "in their...

I think the Pope has too much 'bling'.

Here are mine:

Atheism

Best: The hiddenness of God.
Worst: The advancement of science has done away with God as an explanatory cause. (I.e the God-of-the-Gaps nonsense)

Theism

Best:...

Stefcui goes after John Reece. :sigh: