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  1. Is there an actual scientific basis for this...

    Is there an actual scientific basis for this weaker bond concept? This sounds really made up.
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    Who says hot dog diggity? I thought it was...

    Who says hot dog diggity? I thought it was supposed to be hot diggity dog.
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    I agree with this statement, but I don't...

    I agree with this statement, but I don't understand why this is the huge deal you seem to make of it. I don't have to confer any such status to have a workable ethical system.
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    And what does 'worthy' mean? What does...

    And what does 'worthy' mean? What does 'excellence' mean? What does 'true worth' mean? These are all subjective concepts. There's no inherent quality here, just pointers to subjective value...
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    You've just been ignoring all the ones that don't...

    You've just been ignoring all the ones that don't fit your narrative? I honestly find it hard to believe you actually think what you posted.
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    :huh: What about 'predates' comes out to...

    :huh:

    What about 'predates' comes out to 'established fact'? That's not how it works.
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    That's just nonsense. It doesn't matter if they...

    That's just nonsense. It doesn't matter if they all have equal evidence. Miracle claims in the same religion don't even have equal evidence. You're setting a bar your own religion doesn't pass.
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    Yes. What is this supposed to be? ...

    Yes.



    What is this supposed to be?




    Nooo. Dignity isn't a belief. It's a statement of how you feel about another person. The qualities you use to evaluate dignity are beliefs.
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    None of which has anything to do with 'dignity',...

    None of which has anything to do with 'dignity', particularly given the definition you provided. I knew this is what you were going for. Why can't you just use the real words you mean?
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    Yeah, I think this is the hang-up. Sacred could...

    Yeah, I think this is the hang-up. Sacred could actually imply something intrinsic. Dignity just doesn't, especially with the definition seer provided.




    I'm not sure I follow this bit. ...
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    It means that you don't hold them in esteem. It...

    It means that you don't hold them in esteem. It could be that another member of their group does. It's not a universal trait.




    Exactly. That's why I said there's not a correct.
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    To quote myself in this thread: I...

    To quote myself in this thread:



    I deliberately left in the caveat. However, we know enough of animal behavior to confidently say that the vast majority of animals don't interact with each...
  13. I'm not sure "somebody has to be" really covers...

    I'm not sure "somebody has to be" really covers less than two weeks. That's like saying someone has to be the heaviest person ever recorded. While true, it doesn't convey the 1400lbs the title...
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    So call that one frat boy trump and make another...

    So call that one frat boy trump and make another with the comb over.
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    No one said the questions aren't legitimate. ...

    No one said the questions aren't legitimate. They are. They just can't be answered with the little bits of info you've given. Maybe you can answer some other legitimate questions and get the...
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    This mostly sounds like just being...

    This mostly sounds like just being philosophically lazy. It certainly doesn't count as knowledge in any meaningful sense of the word. I think you know this, too, given your last paragraph. ...
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    That looks like a Trump meme waiting to happen.

    That looks like a Trump meme waiting to happen.
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    Close. Because some humans esteem other humans,...

    Close. Because some humans esteem other humans, they confer dignity. 'Some' here is a little misleading, though, given that almost everyone holds someone else (if not multiple people) in high...
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    You don't see how it follows that because "some...

    You don't see how it follows that because "some humans confer esteem", humans have dignity? It's in the definition. I don't understand how this is confusing. Nothing in the definition requires...
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    How is that relevant? You're asking the...

    How is that relevant? You're asking the difference between humans and other animals when it comes to dignity. Other animals aren't capable (so far as we know) of comprehending the concept, let...
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    Find me an animal other than humans that honors...

    Find me an animal other than humans that honors or esteems itself. I think that will answer your question.
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    The impression is deliberate. The trend, in the...

    The impression is deliberate. The trend, in the US at least, has been towards spirituality as a rejection of organized religion.




    As for the OP, I can't say I'm terribly surprised. Fiction...
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    I haven't been following their progress, and I...

    I haven't been following their progress, and I won't pretend to know specifics about any particular area. However, here are some links that might point you in the right direction:
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    TBH, that video is eight years old. I'd seen it...

    TBH, that video is eight years old. I'd seen it before (I think on this site, even), so the impact was lost on me. I was curious about those technology sounds, though, so I did a little reading on...
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    The person committing suicide isn't even taking...

    The person committing suicide isn't even taking into account their own normal input. It's a feedback loop that bypasses everything. Motivation can't be ascribed to it. What little motivation can...
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