A Little Bit of Supernatural, A Little Bit of Natural

[jordanriver]

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Well, in 9:20, the officials of the Pharaoh hurried their "dead" miqneh into the shelters.

all doesn't always mean all, as we mean it.

I think those weren't 'officials of the Pharoah' but just more slaves/servants.
The Hebrew 'ebed' was used
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible...&t=KJV#conc/20

and the definitions
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/...gs=H5650&t=KJV

like Gentiles who also get a chance to fear the Hebrew God, they get another chance, unlike the Egyptians who did not fear the Hebrew God so all their 'miqneh' (in the field) were killed.


jr

[greentwiga]

Well, your interpretation doesn't really fit the Bible. The word 'ebed is a general word meaning worker. It can be slave, servant, or official. The key seems to be the term Pharaoh's servants. 9:20 says servants of Pharaoh who feared the word of the Lord. Not that they were believers, but that they feared the pronouncements that Moses was saying. Notice that these servants had servants!

5:21 You have made us a stench to Pharaoh and his servants. These servants ruled over the Israelites.

8:3 The servants of Pharaoh suffered the frogs

8:21 The servants of Pharaoh suffered the flies

9:30 the servants of Pharaoh do not fear God.

9:34, 10:1 Pharaoh's servants hardened their hearts.

10:6 The servants of Pharaoh suffered the locusts

Notice that many of the plagues that Pharaoh's servants suffered specifically say that the Israelites did not suffer.

12:30 Pharaoh's servants suffer the loss of the firstborn.

Therefore, these are not ones that were protected from the plagues. They suffered in the loss of all the cattle, yet had cattle to later protect. Scripture does not lie, but is used in the terminology of the time it was written. We see that all does not mean all, but is a term of great emphasis. All the cattle means a great loss. All the mountains under heaven in the time of Noah could mean all the mountains in the region, a great number, or even the meaning the sacred mountains (ziggurats= mountains under heaven.)

The problem is when we impose our modern definitions on scripture instead of examining scripture to see what definitions are used.

[jordanriver]

Well, your interpretation doesn't really fit the Bible. The word 'ebed is a general word meaning worker. It can be slave, servant, or official. The key seems to be the term Pharaoh's servants. 9:20 says servants of Pharaoh who feared the word of the Lord. Not that they were believers, but that they feared the pronouncements that Moses was saying. Notice that these servants had servants!

5:21 You have made us a stench to Pharaoh and his servants. These servants ruled over the Israelites.

8:3 The servants of Pharaoh suffered the frogs

8:21 The servants of Pharaoh suffered the flies

9:30 the servants of Pharaoh do not fear God.

9:34, 10:1 Pharaoh's servants hardened their hearts.

10:6 The servants of Pharaoh suffered the locusts

Notice that many of the plagues that Pharaoh's servants suffered specifically say that the Israelites did not suffer.

12:30 Pharaoh's servants suffer the loss of the firstborn.

Therefore, these are not ones that were protected from the plagues. They suffered in the loss of all the cattle, yet had cattle to later protect. Scripture does not lie, but is used in the terminology of the time it was written. We see that all does not mean all, but is a term of great emphasis. All the cattle means a great loss. All the mountains under heaven in the time of Noah could mean all the mountains in the region, a great number, or even the meaning the sacred mountains (ziggurats= mountains under heaven.)

The problem is when we impose our modern definitions on scripture instead of examining scripture to see what definitions are used.

First you said they were 'officers'

Now how do you know those servants were Egyptians.

In 12:30 which you just cited, there appears to be a distinction between the servants (ebed) and The Egyptians:
"And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for [there was] not a house where [there was] not one dead.

looks like two different groups to me.

jr

[Kelp]

SanliUrfa? His Dad's 'nativity' was in the area of the Chaldees (Babylonian territory) according to the Bible. Now it does not state in Scripture exactly where Abraham was born, but SanliUrfa is up in Hittite territory I believe.

I was just curious, is this true, greentwiga?

[greentwiga]

I was just curious, is this true, greentwiga?

Yep, all the Christians before Wooley knew that Ur was in SE Turkey. Wooley wanted to raise money for his dig in Ur, so he made his case. In Gen 24:4 Abraham sends his servant to his homeland (his birthplace) to find a wife for Isaac. He doesn't go to Ur in southern Sumer but to the region of Haran which is just a few miles from Urfa. Nahor did not leave Ur, but when the servant arrived, it was in Nahor's town (Gen 24:10) Gen 28 and 29 Also support this view.

[Kelp]

So the Chaldees lived in Turkey at that time?

[greentwiga]

First you said they were 'officers'

Now how do you know those servants were Egyptians.

In 12:30 which you just cited, there appears to be a distinction between the servants (ebed) and The Egyptians:
"And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for [there was] not a house where [there was] not one dead.

looks like two different groups to me.

jr

Yes, there were servants (who ruled other servants, i.e. officers) of the Pharaoh and there were other Egyptians who were not servants of the Pharaoh. If these servants were not Egyptians, then by your logic, the Pharaoh would not be Egyptian either.

[greentwiga]

So the Chaldees lived in Turkey at that time?

Well, they certainly didn't move into southern Iraq until much later than Abraham

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