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A Conversion Story
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Originally posted by seer View PostI will leave that to God.
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Originally posted by Outis View PostWhich rather undercuts the logic of using such stories in an attempt to persuade non-believers.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI don't think many people do that. Other Christians might find the story encouraging, but I don't think it will convince anyone who doesn't know the person and hears the story second or third hand if they are not predisposed to believing it.
By all evidence available, Seer intended to use this in his or her continued argument against atheism.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI don't think many people do that. Other Christians might find the story encouraging, but I don't think it will convince anyone who doesn't know the person and hears the story second or third hand if they are not predisposed to believing it.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, find a blind person, and tell them that you are "traumatized for a couple days" by a vision, and see if he/she agrees with the "sameness".
You really aren't very good at this, are you?“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by whag View PostDavid used Uriah as arrow fodder, and Paul persecuted Christians. Despite their assery, they were divinely interacted with. I merely told you that Job isn't pure recorded history, and you're still holding a grudge.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Outis View PostWhich rather undercuts the logic of using such stories in an attempt to persuade non-believers.
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Originally posted by OingoBoingoWhat sort of personal experience of God would not be psychological in nature?
A regrown limb would do. Dreams and persistent dread, not so much.
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostAnd both were called on it by God. God sent Nathan to tell David off for what he did. And Paul did that before his experience on the road to Damscus.
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Originally posted by OingoBoingo View PostThere can be a cumulative affect in these sorts of testimony. A few testimonies probably wont impress non-believers by themselves, but if you're investigating the teachings and claims of Christianity, it may be part of a larger picture that convinces you that there's something to the whole thing. Tales of personal testimony probably aren't going to do much for the hardened skeptic, but for the theist or open agnostic it could be that little bit that pushes them in the right direction.
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Originally posted by Outis View PostFirstfloor is engaged in mockery.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by whag View PostThere are many described in the bible. Abraham and Paul are to good examples from the OT and NT.
A regrown limb would do. Dreams and persistent dread, not so much.
I don't really believe that a regrown limb will be THE thing that gets some people to convert anyways. To the person it happens to, it might be convincing proof, but some hardened skeptic will rub their eyes and think they imagined it. Some will say it was an illusion or a hoax. Miracles happen every day. Claims of resurrection, the blind receiving sight, and cripples walking are not at all unknown, but most people go about their day thinking there's nothing in it.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostI’m trying hard to be taken seriously here but spooky logic is quite versatile and throws up some weird conundrums that sometimes look mocking.
I don't know if you actually understand it or not, but your posts here seem to indicate that you do not. (And if you do not, that is not a criticism on my part.)
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