October 22nd 2007, 03:49 PM #46
Re: OUR FEATURED MINISTRY ARTICLE: Does God Have to Obey the Ten Commandments, by Greg KouklIf you have no way to choose to do wrong do you really have free will?
Pix: Is there free will in heaven?
Sparko: heaven is where those who already choose to submit their will to God will be. It is a WILLING submission. quite different from a forced submission.
Do you personally think it is a good thing to have free will? Assuming you go to heaven for eternity, you will have had free will for an infinitesimal fraction of your life/afterlife.
Pix: Does the risk of eternal mental torment even justify giving people free will?
Sparko: apparently to God it does.
Perhaps it was all part of his plan. He did know they would fall and eat the fruit. He is God after all, but that in no way makes him the one who caused Adam and Eve to sin. They chose to do it themselves. They could have just as easily NOT chosen to eat the fruit and obey God.
God knew exactly what he was doing, exactly what the consequences were for humanity for generations to come. Adam and Eve presumably had little understanding of right or wrong, having not eaten from the tree of knowledge of right and wrong at that point. How can you possibly absolve God of all blame?
Pix: [i]In what sense is it morally right to punish all living things for countless generations for the actions of three individuals?
Sparko: The punishment you talk about is letting us have our own way to do whatever we wish. We can spit in God's face or turn our lives around and submit them to him. Its YOUR choice.
Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
God didn't lie. Adam and Eve lost their immortality that very day. They started dying physically and were dead spiritually at the point they ate the fruit.
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: