Is Islamic "Allah" the same God as The Father God of Jesus?

[Narnian]

Which means the Christian god isn't the same as the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Moses. Ever read Isaiah 45:7? "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." (KJV)

Exactly. Please see my thread here; http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...ad.php?t=95979

[Essencian]

You wrote :

Yes, Watsup, that's a good point - some of the worst criminals in the world are in fact very polite, hospitable, charming and intelligent. Hitler was an animal rights campaigner and an environmentalist. He was a vegetarian for ethical . reasons and he did not drink any alcohol. Winston Churchill, on the other hand, was a boozer

In response to your artificial labeling of Muslim countries as "miserable places" , I pointed out that in my experience living and working in several Muslim countries , I failed to see examples that fit your negative labels .

Your charge that most Muslims are wicked imposters , akin to Christian mafiosos and Christian leaders like Hitler , is groundless , spiteful twaddle and not worth another line of text .


You wrote :

As to the rest of your rantings, "Essenician" , I find it difficult to find points that I can reply to ….
Translation :

I find it difficult to find an answer to your points hence you're ranting ….

You wrote :

….outside of Ad Hominem attacks, which show bad debating skills on your part. "I don't agree" is not debate.

I challenge you to show me just one ad Hominem , in any of my previous responses or where I dismissed any of your arguments by simply stating " I don't agree" .

The best you will ever be able to do is parrot the definition from a website . You know why ? You don't have the intelligence to identify a logical fallacy .


More...You are unable to "debunk" my previous post hence in your frustration you resort to a cheap and evasive bait switch maneuver . Well it's not going to work my dear .

You wrote :

If you want to continue, keep your replies "to the point shorter and more succinct ….

I will continue with or without you , because I feel like . Your participation has no bearing on mine . Your anti-Islamic regurgitated tripe will be dealt with on my terms , not yours .

If you wish to ignore my responses to your claptrap , wonderful . I won't have to spend any time dealing with your incoherent , dim witted rebuttals .


You wrote :

and avoid logical fallacies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacies

Sure , I'll do that .

You wrote :

The scholars I was referring to include Mary Boyce http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Boyce and Peter Clark. The pre-exilic parts of the OT are full of redactions. Go and read about the Documentary Hypothesis; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis

The fact that the Hebrew Bible has been edited , has no bearing on your Zoroastrian theory nor your baseless assumption that the patriarchs never existed . Concerning your two links , you can copy and past them on your forehead . Maybe they will increase your intelligence .


I'll BE BACK ….

[Narnian]

In response to your artificial labeling of Muslim countries as "miserable places" , I pointed out that in my experience living and working in several Muslim countries , I failed to see examples that fit your negative labels .

Relativist fallacy. Your personal experience does not measure up to the research and statistics that UNESCO has collated.

Your charge that most Muslims are wicked imposters , akin to Christian mafiosos and Christian leaders like Hitler , is groundless , spiteful twaddle and not worth another line of text .

Where did I say I hated muslims? I hate Islam, not muslims. I hate Islam because I love humanity.

I challenge you to show me just one ad Hominem ,

Right here below:

The best you will ever be able to do is parrot the definition from a website . You know why ? You don't have the intelligence to identify a logical fallacy .

More...You are unable to "debunk" my previous post hence in your frustration you resort to a cheap and evasive bait switch maneuver . Well it's not going to work my dear .

You're right: perhaps you are just too smart for me. I mean, you have already conned us dumbos into believing you were a christian and have never been a muslim.

I will continue with or without you , because I feel like . Your participation has no bearing on mine . Your anti-Islamic regurgitated tripe will be dealt with on my terms , not yours .

More Ad Hominen

If you wish to ignore my responses to your claptrap , wonderful . I won't have to spend any time dealing with your incoherent , dim witted rebuttals .

Ad Hominen

and avoid logical fallacies:

Sure , I'll do that .

The fact that the Hebrew Bible has been edited , has no bearing on your Zoroastrian theory nor your baseless assumption that the patriarchs never existed . Concerning your two links , you can copy and past them on your forehead . Maybe they will increase your intelligence .

Ad hominen.

I'll BE BACK ….

With more Ad hominen's, Arnie?

[Essencian]

You wrote :

Relativist fallacy. Your personal experience does not measure up to the research and statistics that UNESCO has collated.

Show me where UNESCO used such inflammatory language in their study ? Show me where they ID most Muslim countries as "miserable places " to live ? That's your spiteful Nonsense .

I never suggested UNESCO's findings were wrong . Sure , most Muslim countries are materially poor when compared to America and Western Europe the "developed world " . However , as to whether Muslim countries are "miserable places" or not , that is up for the individual to decide for themselves .

For an "Islam debunker " like yourself , it might very well make you miserable to live in a Muslim country , nonetheless this is relative , subjective . "Relativistic fallacy " .

I simply expressed my conclusion , my opinion based on my personal experience . The reader can decide for themselves as to the accuracy or value of my experience in contrast to your cheap rhetoric and artificial inflammatory labeling
.
You wrote :

Where did I say I hated muslims? I hate Islam, not muslims. I hate Islam because I love
humanity.

Then how does your observation about Hitler apply to Muslims ? Sure , there are psychopaths who get up every morning and go to work , and get along with everybody . Right ? A serial killer who hides his true identity .

What relevancy does that have to what I stated about my Muslim neighbors ? Let's mar and distort the picture , when ever anything positive is said about Muslims . Let's quickly respond with something derogatory .

" Mafiosos " … " Hitler" …. They're all yours . Interesting how you had to choose Christians as
your archetypes of evil .

You wrote :

Right here below:

In response to :

challenge you to show me just one ad Hominem ,
The best you will ever be able to do is parrot the definition from a website . You know why ? You don't have the intelligence to identify a logical fallacy .
More...You are unable to "debunk" my previous post hence in your frustration you resort to a cheap and evasive bait switch maneuver . Well it's not going to work my dear .

Where is the ad homonym ? I never suggested you were wrong or that I was right based on ad homonym . That's what a ad homonym is . You should go back to whatever website you are getting your logical fallacies from and carefully re-read the definition .

A logical fallacy ad homonym isn't a mere slur or insult . You can say " Essencian you're a darn idiot " , and that wouldn't constitute a " ad homonym " logical fallacy .

If on the other hand you say " Essencian , you're wrong , because you're an idiot , that's why " …now that's a logical fallacy , or " You're ugly and stinky Essencian , so I'm right and you're wrong " …., that's a ad homonym .

And you're a post graduate ? I feel sorry for the state of education in Australia .

You wrote :

You're right: perhaps you are just too smart for me. I mean, you have already conned us dumbos into believing you were a christian and have never been a muslim.

What would make you believe I'm a Muslim and not a Baptist ? I'm an Essencian Baptist ……. "free thinking" .

You wrote :

More Ad Hominen

In response to :

I will continue with or without you , because I feel like it . Your participation has no bearing on mine . Your anti-Islamic regurgitated tripe will be dealt with on my terms , not yours .

Pointing out my terms and my opinion of your arguments is not ad homonym .

You wrote …
Ad Hominen

...and again :

Ad hominen.

Ad homonym ! Ad homonym ! ( The choir sings ! ) . * senile old lady crossing the street slowly with a walker repeats ..ad homonym homonym homonym homonym homonym homonym homonym ……………………………………………………………

[watsup]

You wrote :

Yes, Watsup, that's a good point - some of the worst criminals in the world are in fact very polite, hospitable, charming and intelligent. Hitler was an animal rights campaigner and an environmentalist. He was a vegetarian for ethical . reasons and he did not drink any alcohol. Winston Churchill, on the other hand, was a boozer

In response to your artificial labeling of Muslim countries as "miserable places" , I pointed out that in my experience living and working in several Muslim countries , I failed to see examples that fit your negative labels .

Your charge that most Muslims are wicked imposters , akin to Christian mafiosos and Christian leaders like Hitler , is groundless , spiteful twaddle and not worth another line of text .

You wrote :

As to the rest of your rantings, "Essenician" , I find it difficult to find points that I can reply to ….
Translation :

I find it difficult to find an answer to your points hence you're ranting ….

You wrote :

….outside of Ad Hominem attacks, which show bad debating skills on your part. "I don't agree" is not debate.

I challenge you to show me just one ad Hominem , in any of my previous responses or where I dismissed any of your arguments by simply stating " I don't agree" .

The best you will ever be able to do is parrot the definition from a website . You know why ? You don't have the intelligence to identify a logical fallacy .

More...You are unable to "debunk" my previous post hence in your frustration you resort to a cheap and evasive bait switch maneuver . Well it's not going to work my dear .

You wrote :

If you want to continue, keep your replies "to the point shorter and more succinct ….

I will continue with or without you , because I feel like . Your participation has no bearing on mine . Your anti-Islamic regurgitated tripe will be dealt with on my terms , not yours .

If you wish to ignore my responses to your claptrap , wonderful . I won't have to spend any time dealing with your incoherent , dim witted rebuttals .

You wrote :

and avoid logical fallacies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacies

Sure , I'll do that .

You wrote :

The scholars I was referring to include Mary Boyce http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Boyce and Peter Clark. The pre-exilic parts of the OT are full of redactions. Go and read about the Documentary Hypothesis; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis

The fact that the Hebrew Bible has been edited , has no bearing on your Zoroastrian theory nor your baseless assumption that the patriarchs never existed . Concerning your two links , you can copy and past them on your forehead . Maybe they will increase your intelligence .

I'll BE BACK ….

Hi, Essencian.

Just how was that mafiosi of a Nazi Hitler any Christian, huh?

Kindly furnish the link(s) to back-up your claim - before watsup posts in just one post, to KABOOM your "back-ups". GUARANTEED.

Waiting and counting.

I'LL BE BACK, TOO.

[Essencian]

You wrote :

Very respectfully: The 99.99% of the Muslims your Muslim family of five (5), neighbours represent - represent the 99.99% of the Muslims who are under the control of Islam's allah's approved and commissioned "alpha male" Muslims, that accounts for the 0.01% of the Muslim population. I can believe that your family of 5 Muslim neighbours are very hospitable to you.

I don't quite understand what you're trying to convey here , maybe you can put it in different terms . …" 99.99% of the Muslims who are under the control of Islam's Allah approved and commissioned " alpha male " Muslims , that accounts for the 0.01 % ….." . What does that mean ?


You wrote :

I would be very curious to know though, just how hospital the adult Muslim members of that Muslims family would be - should any of its adult family members most voluntarily and peacefully persist in wanting to leave Islam to formally embrace, say, your religious non-Muslim belief.

They wouldn't be as perturbed as they would if for example , one of their family members embraced Paulianity / Churchianity or atheism . My Essencian faith accepts Muhammad as a prophet and the Quran as the word of Allah / God . An Essencian can adopt the religious practices of Islam , Judaism , any faith that does not venerate lifeless idols or worships a pantheon of false gods .

We live by the principle / essence / Mind , which runs through most religions .

More , Essencia recognizes Islam as a divinely revealed religion , there is no need to proselytize Muslims hence who ever is an Essencian is prohibited to share their knowledge and promote the rites of The Way , in any Muslim country . To do otherwise , creates unnecessary conflict both in the angelic and earthly cosmos / realms .

You wrote :

AND, just how hospitable the same adult Muslim members of that Muslim family will be to you, should you do (what Muslims do to ex-Muslims and to Muslims persisting in wanting to leave Islam) to members of your family who would peacefully and voluntarily want to leave your religious belief to embrace Islam.


The above question is a bit confusing but I will try to answer it anyways …

What do they do ?


Within moderate Muslim families , it's possible that absolutely nothing will happened , provided the person doesn't attempt to change , persuade others to his new religion .

In more religious circles , shunning is used , the person is ostracized .

Rarely is a person killed . I'm not suggesting it doesn't happened , it certainly does . Nonetheless , it is not as prevalent as the "Islam debunkers " and Anti-Islam Christian axe-grinders ,would like us all to believe .

Muslims tend not to convert to other religions , they're the most difficult group to reach for another religion . Missionaries have practically spent their whole lives , thirty even forty years trying to reach Muslims for Christ , only to win maybe two or three genuine converts .

Here in Egypt there are plenty of women , and when I say "plenty" , I don't mean the majority , but there is a noticeable group or population of westernized women who are rabid feminists , liberals .etc They come from both Muslim and Christian familiess and dress in non-traditional attire , tight jeans .etc They have boy friends and are open about their sexuality .etc

There are also men who are westernized and secular . and want nothing to do with religion .
These people eat , drink and smoke cigarettes in the middle of the day , in front of everyone , even now during the month of Ramadan . You see them walking down the streets of downtown , at the cafe , universities .etc

Both the women and men who belong to this segment of the population are still alive .
Their religious parents or grand-parents haven't come after them with a kitchen knife or slipped poison into their meals .etc The anti-Islam crowd , the Christian polemicists have a very skewed and exaggerated notion of Muslim countries and how these societies deal with people who for whatever particular reason decide not to practice Islam .


You wrote :

Generally speaking, well managed mafiosi dominated communities …..

What are "well managed mafiosi" dominated " communities" . What do you mean by "communities" of mafiosos ? Mafia "families" ?


You wrote :

…are truly havens of peace and tranquilty - until the G-men stumble or barge in.

I don't think you've been around the " mafiosis" much . The members of the drug-cartel syndicates are the most ruthless and treacherous people you could ever meet . I've never been involved in such activities , however I am well acquainted with how they live and operate due to where I was brought up in Miami and NY and my humanitarian work in Columbia / South America . You have absolutely no idea how evil these people are .

They have people who kidnap infants from villages , then murder them in order to use their little lifeless bodies as drug carriers . They turn on eachother at the drop of a hat . Often , they are aware that sooner or later their best "friend" in the family or "crew" will probably "wack" them , when their service is no longer needed or they become a liability .

What does that have to do with my Muslim neighbors is beyond me . It's a poor analogy .


You wrote :

I am genuinely grateful to you for having stated what you stated in your "Yes , because the founder of Christianity isn't Yeshua / Jesus but rather Paul and Plato . It’s a two faced , incomplete , dysfunctional religion that separates the physical from the spiritual in inordinate fashion . So heavenly minded that it is of no earthly good ."

Mind doing me a favour, by opening a new thread in this Islam forum - under a title which is relevant to this Islam forum - for our focused dealing on this topic?

I would actually prefer to open the thread - if only I could be assured that I would not be given yet another "demerit point", or worse, by you-know-who (because of my inadequate familiarity with things still). This is a very important topic. Please. Thanking you in advance for (hopefully) you kind consent and assistance.

I will do that when I get the opportunity , or maybe you or another reader interested in the topic can open the thread and I will participate when I can .

You wrote :

I am not holding your view of Islam against you. Though I shall be honest to let you know my view of you a non-Muslim, by the view you have of Islam. You are quite mixed up in your belief - as many if not most non-Christian non-Muslims are on Islam.

Well , I don't blame you for thinking my views are "mixed up" being that you have never heard a full exposition of my views on Islam or religion in general . A puzzle needs all ( or at least most ) of it's pieces connected correctly , in order to perceive a coherent picture .

The individual pieces , when taken by themselves , are meaningless and appear out of place .

You wrote :

Matters of faith are dead serious concerns for me. My soul in the afterlife is at stake. Serious.

You're not the only Christian that has expressed these sentiments to me . Many Christians claim to feel the same way then ironically criticize Muslims for treating defectors from Islam and Non-Muslim proselytizers harshly . How else should they deal with people who are spreading , what amounts to a lethal poison or a deadly disease in their society ?

If false doctrine / religion can lead someone to eternal damnation , to a state of unending torture and pain , then it should be perfectly understandable when a Muslim nation rounds up Christian missionaries and deports them .

These people are killing Muslim souls , by enticing them to eat the forbidden fruits of false religion .

Most Christians , and I'm not suggesting you're one of them , but most suspect only pay lip service to the notion that false doctrine leads to spiritual damnation .

If they actually believed that then they would understand perfectly why a Muslim society would take drastic measures against Christian missionaries , Ex-Muslims who proselytize .etc

You wrote :

So serioous to me, now - that should I believe Islam's allah is Allah (that is, on the premise that "Allah" is the accurate pre-Islamic term for God Almighty)…..

Yes , and Allah was also the pre-Islamic term for Jesus and his apostles too :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allaha

http://www.learnassyrian.com/aramaic/church/church.html

In both Aramaic and Arabic , the term for deity is practically the same and share the same etymology . You wont find a serious scholar of Semitic languages that would deny the fact that the Arabic term "Allah" is related to both the Hebrew and Aramaic terms for deity . EL ( Hebrew ) and IL ( Arabic ) are common derivatives .


You wrote :

I MUST immediately embrace Islam and do my utmost to have those I care and love to do likewise. Without first needing to know other matters concerning Islam.

You don't need to convert to anything other than the commandments or laws .

Salvation is in action , not mere opinion or the mere profession of creeds . Intentional action , willful action , in line with God's commandments , sets in motion spiritual forces / angels that elevate the mind and spirit . If your mind is already attached to Christian archetypes , then you should remain within the archetypes , which your soul is accustomed to .

You wrote :

But, as of now, I am thoroughly convinced (by the giveaways in Islam's allah and his Quran) that I would have to be gripped by suicidal tendencies, to embrace Islam.

I don't get what you mean by having to be gripped with "suicidal tendencies " , maybe you can elaborate .

You wrote :

Because those giveaways DO ONLY AND MUST ONLY conclude Islam's allah is Satan.

Islam's Allah is no less "Satan" than the Christian God .

"Satan" are negative forces which must exist , that good may assert itself . Without the probability of the absence of good , there is no genuine and sincere goodness . If you are forced or coerced into submission , then you are not truly in a place to receive holiness from above .

My guardian angel wants you to know the following ...

Good souls ascend and become gods / angels / immortals , only by way of resisting the internal pressures and propensities of their souls .

It's only through this process that human minds ascend to the realms of the supernal and eternal Mind . To inherit immortality , the divine presence , one must fight a war within , between the forces of lethargy and the forces of light and action . Those that fail the tests of time , perish .

After this human experience , you will be unable to return to the animal kingdom , because as a human being , you stand at the breach of two worlds . If you approach us as an ape , the gate will remain closed . You will be cast out into darkness and there perish as a demon .

The left will be excluded , only the right hand will enter .

The Transhumanists will fail . We will not allow them to live beyond the age which we have determined . Your science will never force us to open the gates of time .

Just casting pearls before ……… ? Let's see . The rantings of a fool . Yes .


You wrote :

This is the contention we should focus on - along with your contention that Christianity is from Paul and Plato, and not from Jesus/Yeshua.

Pythagoras , Plato , Paul are all good , the archetypes will only have their transformative effect if they are adopted and applied with the wisdom of a child . For only the children shall enter the Kingdom of God .

" Jesus said , carry your Taw and follow me to the place of the skull , for it is there outside the walls , upon the skull , that you shall enter paradise ".

Before resurrection , there is a crucifixion , outside the walls of conventional thinking and teaching , you must crucify the flesh , and arise into life in power and glory .

The angels sing , "MELECH , YOD , HEY , WAW , HEY , have mercy for he has paid the ultimate price , he has carried his TAW below , upon the earth "

"Arise my son for you have conquered.... " and the spirit awakened .

This is the destiny of the children of the kingdom , who carry their cross and give everything for the sake of what they already know .

To be good is life and life in mansions of light , upon the mountains of Eden , where the angels dwell in the presence of YOD , HEY , WAW , HEY ….light and light , upon light , fire upon fire , blue and red , pink and white as snow , Holy Holy Holy is the Lamb of God who sits upon the thrown of YAH , Michael , Joshua Son of Joseph come , Lord Come .

He who enters the above archetypes and states of mind , shall never perish but shall inherit eternal life .

You wrote :

All of which we can contend very seriously and honestly in the new thread - which, hopefully, you will open. Totally worthy for our serious contending over - for the sakes of our souls, and the souls of the persons we care and cherish.

Do good and you shall live . That is all that one needs to know , beyond that there is nothing . No creed or doctrine can save you , transform you and resurrect you . Only in doing good , and carrying others burdens , does one enter paradise .

You can be Christian , Muslim , Jewish it doesn't matter what your creed is . Keep the essence , the principles of life , live like an angel and you will never die .

You wrote :

Satan aka Islam's allah WILL get his opportunity to overpower and control the earth, though - but for a while only (in accordance to God's plan).

If anything it is the secular world , the forces of materialism and hedonism which are "Satan" , not Allah . Keeping the values of secular society does more harm to one's soul than adopting Islam or any other religion .

The idea that morality is relative to one's personal sensitivities and that human existence is the result of a random process of lifeless matter , is more detrimental to the mind than religion . It is your true enemy , not Islam .

You wrote :

After which (and in accoding to God's plan), Jesus Christ, Son of God, God will physically return from heaven (wherre He now is) to be on earth again - to finish off Satan aka Islam's allah and all his demons; before His final judgement on them and the having them cast into the Eternal Lake of Fire (with all who had chosen to ally with Satan against God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit).

OK .


You wrote :

Just how was that mafiosi of a Nazi Hitler any Christian, huh?

Narnian likes to lump the western nations into a "Christian" box , so that's why she posed the question " why do Muslims migrate to the Christian west ? How many Christians do you see migrating to the Muslim world ? " … essentially that is how she considers the west . As "Christian " .

Oh well , OK , so if that's the case , and being that you blame Islam for everything that occurs in the middle-east and elsewhere , Nazi Germany was a Christian phenomena . Hitler , who's parents were Catholic , who was brought up Catholic and went to Catholic school as a child , who often quoted from the bible in his speeches and from the works of Martin Luther , was clearly a Christian . Right ?

He maintained a friendly relationship with most of the German clergy and churches . Germany was comprised of Christians , and they fought as Nazis , for their country . They didn't have Muslim chaplins in the German Nazi army , they had Catholic and Protestant chaplins . Why , because they were Muslims ? No , they were " Christian " . Right ?

I don't believe they were true Christians , but hey following the typical anti-Islam logic , they were Christians .

See I can also play this stupid little game the Christian polemicist likes to play , and it exposes how hypocritical and delicate their position is . They throw stones from glass houses . Point at the Muslims and you have three fingers pointing right back at you . And actually that's about right , because the Muslims through out history , in general were more humane and civil in their conduct than the Christians . Less given to senseless violence .

If Hitler would have had Muslim parents and had studied in an Islamic "madrasa" rather than a Catholic school , if he would have cited Quran and Hadith in his Mein Kampf rather than the Bible and Christians like Luther , you Christian polemicists would use that often as an example of how "evil" Islam is . Muslims wouldn't hear the end of it , if Hitler would have been " Abdul " Hitler " rather than " "Adolf "
Hitler .

Regarding the mafiosos . These mafia thugs come from , not a Muslim background or from Muslim countries , but from Italy , Columbia ( Latin America ) , Russia .etc When you think "Mafia" you don't usually get a mental picture of an Arab or a Camel in the desert , you rather think of some guy name " Gino " sitting in a restaurant in little Italy , with his friends , planning the next hit or heist .

Many of these mobsters , whether they are Italian or Latin American , might go to mass every once in a while , if anything , for good luck . So following Narnian logic , since these people comes from the west , western countries and operate mostly in these "Christian " countries , then they're Christian , following Narnian "modality" of thinking .

You wrote :

Waiting and counting.

You are welcome to wait and count , however I have real ( non-cyber ) world responsibilities and social engagements to attend to , which always take priority over my activities here , so just keep that in mind . I'm even surprized I'm participating in this forum , due to the fact that I am not given to polemics and debate .

Also realize that if I feel someone isn't worth the time or effort to respond to , I wont . They can "win" the debate .

You wrote :

I'LL BE BACK TOO

Heheh ((((I'LL BE BACK)))) ....

[Narnian]

They wouldn't be as perturbed as they would if for example , one of their family members embraced Paulianity / Churchianity or atheism . My Essencian faith accepts Muhammad as a prophet and the Quran as the word of Allah / God . An Essencian can adopt the religious practices of Islam , Judaism , any faith that does not venerate lifeless idols or worships a pantheon of false gods .

We live by the principle / essence / Mind , which runs through most religions .

More , Essencia recognizes Islam as a divinely revealed religion , there is no need to proselytize Muslims hence who ever is an Essencian is prohibited to share their knowledge and promote the rites of The Way , in any Muslim country . To do otherwise , creates unnecessary conflict both in the angelic and earthly cosmos / realms .

So, in what way is this "Essencia" religion different from Islam? Which tenets are different? And if none are different, why does it have a different name?

[Essencian]

You wrote :

So, in what way is this "Essencia" religion different from Islam? Which tenets are different? And if none are different, why does it have a different name?

It is different , but it's not AS different .

[Narnian]

It is different , but it's not AS different .

Would you please explain the exact differences between Islam and Essencia, in terms of tenets.

thanks

[Essencian]

I'm not here to discuss the Essencian Way , but rather to defend the Muslim faith against unfair criticism and nasty spiteful rhetoric .

Only if my Guardian Angel interupts me while I'm writing a response , for example , well I convey any information regarding the Essence or Truth . Apparently , for whatever reason which I'm not entirely sure , the Elohim felt compeled to speak to Watsup.....
...... ...... . ..... . .. . ... . . .. . ......

Yes that's right .

[Narnian]

I'm not here to discuss the Essencian Way , but rather to defend the Muslim faith against unfair criticism and nasty spiteful rhetoric .

I don't want you to discuss it. All I want is just one difference between Islam and "Essencia". This answer should only take up one sentence; at the most; two.

I look forward to your answer because when I google 'Essencia' I get nothing except a lingerie site: http://www.essencia.org.uk/ . "Luxury, Sensual lingerie at Essencia"

So I rely on you to enlighten me.

[Essencian]

Luxury, Sensual lingerie at Essencia" hahahaha . If you rely one me to enlighten you , you will be greatly disappointed .

1) There aren't any last prophets ..
2) There is no particular creed or archetype , myth , symbol that must be accepted in order to be " saved " . Only the essence or universal principle must be lived .
3) God is the Intelligentsia Prima , the Prime Intelligence , the Mind of the cosmos .HE/SHE runs through all , governs all , and is in all that is and shall ever be , but men perceive it not hence they die .

4) The gods do not die . They have achieved immortality by approaching God , through intentional and willful action , right action , submission , which transforms and elevates the mind / soul . The supernal and eternal Mind draws everything to it self but only a few surrender everything , their attachments and inherit eternal life .

The above is just a brief summarization of points that differ from Islam .

[Narnian]

There aren't any last prophets

Essenician,
Do you therefore disagree wtih this verse that Muhammad is the "Seal of the prophets" - ie the last?

"Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things. (The Noble Quran, 33:40)"

I would like a "yes" or a "no" answer please.

thanks

[Essencian]

You will only get a yes or no answer when the question warrants it ...." Is your son out of prison yet ? Yes or No answer please .... "

Yes . 'Khaatam-al-Nabiyyin' , denotes the last prophet . I pointed out that I don't believe there is such a thing as a "LAST PROPHET" . Humanity will always need the guidance of prophets .

[Narnian]

Do you believe that God dictated the Quran?