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  • #31
    I think Dee Dee is referring to how some Christian organizations call for boycotts using faulty information, which does involve the slandering of companies (i.e. pro-life groups spreading debunked information about Pepsi). Naturally this isn't unique to Christians at all; people of all ideologies do this. I think most Christians who pass this along don't know better, but I suspect some people do.

    But as a whole, I think Obsidian has a point as well. While it's true that some Christians undoubtedly would call for the resignation of somebody who was pro-gay, I don't think this sort of thing is a widespread phenomenon at all.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    • #32
      I wasn't even speaking of a particular event, I am saying something I perceive in general. In this situation, IF this guy were forced out due to pressure from conservative groups because he gave to ultra-liberal causes or heck, socialist ones, I believe that many Christians would be rejoicing, and not very many would take to the FF comment forums in outrage.

      I could be wrong.

      I doubt it.
      The State. Ideas so good they have to be mandatory.

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      • #33
        I strongly suspect you are right, DD.
        Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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        • #34
          Personally, I'd be against such pressuring if I had any assurance that liberals and the like would also extend the same courtesy.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Dee Dee Warren View Post
            I wasn't even speaking of a particular event, I am saying something I perceive in general. In this situation, IF this guy were forced out due to pressure from conservative groups because he gave to ultra-liberal causes or heck, socialist ones, I believe that many Christians would be rejoicing, and not very many would take to the FF comment forums in outrage.

            I could be wrong.

            I doubt it.
            I think Christians would (wrongly) rejoice only if the person in question was head of a major church or para-church organization. See World Vision for an example. Otherwise a person giving to a liberal organization wouldn't even register.
            "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

            "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
              I think Christians would (wrongly) rejoice only if the person in question was head of a major church or para-church organization. See World Vision for an example. Otherwise a person giving to a liberal organization wouldn't even register.
              I don't think so, but I could be wrong. In just Christian rhetoric, I see a lot of inconsistency. I know, I know, liberals have inconsistency too, but I can't worry about them.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Just Some Dude View Post
                Personally, I'd be against such pressuring if I had any assurance that liberals and the like would also extend the same courtesy.
                As Christians we need to be good and consistence even if the others are not.
                The State. Ideas so good they have to be mandatory.

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                • #38
                  The biggest inconsistency I see is that Obama campaigned for president on an anti-gay marriage platform in 2008 and couldn't have tried less to hide that his opinion was ready to shift at an opportunistic moment, yet he completely gets a free pass. Where is the outrage to get him to resign for being an evil homophobe?
                  "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
                    I think Christians would (wrongly) rejoice only if the person in question was head of a major church or para-church organization. See World Vision for an example. Otherwise a person giving to a liberal organization wouldn't even register.
                    I dunno what you mean by rejoice but Christian organization should not have unrepentant, active sinners in official capacities. I really couldn't care less if gay organizations automatically fired Christians either. There's a difference between ideological organizations refusing to hire people whose ideology runs counter to theirs and companies like Mozilla who make mediocre software whose quality has absolutely nothing to do with the CEO's stance on marriage.
                    "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                    There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Dee Dee Warren View Post
                      As Christians we need to be good and consistence even if the others are not.
                      There's nothing bad or inconsistend about shooting back at people who shoot at you and generally being opposed to shooting people.
                      "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                      There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                        There's nothing bad or inconsistend about shooting back at people who shoot at you and generally being opposed to shooting people.
                        This analogy doesn't seem fitting, as there is no parallelism for a self defense that would be required for self preservation.
                        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                          There's nothing bad or inconsistend about shooting back at people who shoot at you and generally being opposed to shooting people.
                          Losing one's life is not the same as social persecution. I believe we are called to be better.
                          The State. Ideas so good they have to be mandatory.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                            This analogy doesn't seem fitting, as there is no parallelism for a self defense that would be required for self preservation.
                            Keeping liberals in fear of being fired for their political beliefs would make them more willing to be cooperative rather than antagonistic on the matter.
                            "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                            There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Dee Dee Warren View Post
                              Losing one's life is not the same as social persecution. I believe we are called to be better.
                              I disagree that your way is better. Social persecution is a bad idea when you have no social capital, just like violence is a bad idea when you have no military capital. That's not really the situation we're in (though it will be if this keeps up).
                              "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                              There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Dee Dee Warren View Post
                                I don't think so, but I could be wrong. In just Christian rhetoric, I see a lot of inconsistency. I know, I know, liberals have inconsistency too, but I can't worry about them.
                                Problem is there are too many people calling themselves Christian (both real Christians and Christian in name only) producing a mixed message to the world. And I don't know that an inconsistent message from many multiple sources is the same as hypocrisy.
                                "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

                                "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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