Can anyone inform me on Pastor Melissa Scott?

[TomSki]

Lol, I refer readers back to my posts regarding the hypocrisy of one who is judging others taking them to task for judgement. Well done Tomski. Again I say, log, meet splinter.

Wow, I still haven't laid any judgment on you.

[Pilgrim]

Wow, I still haven't laid any judgment on you.

Let me quote you here:

At least she's preaching the Gospel and reaching some people...you're here wagging your finger at her, so what about you? You should be minding your own ministry.

That is a statement of judgement. You can not deny that with out either lying to yourself or lying to us. Unless you want to add further clarification to the issue to explain what you really meant? If you meant something else that is.

[TomSki]

Let me quote you here:



That is a statement of judgement. You can not deny that with out either lying to yourself or lying to us. Unless you want to add further clarification to the issue to explain what you really meant? If you meant something else that is.

Yea, I don't see it, I don't agree and I'm not lying, but God will judge.

"Mind your own ministry" is simply this: Romans 14:4 -- “Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand...But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God.” I said nothing of your standing before God or what you do for him, just you should be involved in what you do, not complaining about Melissa Scott's way of doing her ministry. As far as I know, Melissa Scott preaches the salvation by grace through faith Gospel and is reverent of the authority of the Bible. I'm happy that the Gospel is being preached and do not understand the nit-picking here since it's not based on her doctrine.

I really do not understand some of you guys here.

[Cynic Sage]

Ah!....what error?!? She was a porn star prior to conversion? HOW SINFUL!!! She is without a degree in GREEK!!! SHRIEK!!! OH NO! She circled the wrong Greek word on her white board? SCANDALOUS...OR WORSE!...She pre-wrote the text before delivering her message? HORROR!

...how un-Berean of me for not looking up these errors daily to see whether these things were so!

Uh, Tomski, nobody considers it a problem that she used to work in the porn industry. Her problem is whether her greek is reliable.

[TomSki]

Uh, Tomski, nobody considers it a problem that she used to work in the porn industry. Her problem is whether her greek is reliable.

You haven't read the thread.

[timspong]

You haven't read the thread.

I think any mature Christian would agree that the "porn history" is of absolutely no consequence in determining her ability to teach. Most on this thread have seemed to agree with that all along.

However, it is perfectly clear she has a scant knowledge of greek and certainly not enough to teach with, which is the great concern. A little knowledge is a very dangerous thing and she is being deceptive, whether she knows it or not.

Those with relatively low levels discernment are being deceived and that probably includes Melissa Scott herself.

Like so many contemporary TV pastors/teacher, she looks like the real deal but unfortunately falls short of those who are approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel (1th 2.4).

In fact read 1 Th 2, and see how her "ministry" compares

James 3:1:
Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness

[TomSki]

I think any mature Christian would agree that the "porn history" is of absolutely no consequence in determining her ability to teach. Most on this thread have seemed to agree with that all along.

However, it is perfectly clear she has a scant knowledge of greek and certainly not enough to teach with, which is the great concern. A little knowledge is a very dangerous thing and she is being deceptive, whether she knows it or not.

Those with relatively low levels discernment are being deceived and that probably includes Melissa Scott herself.

Like so many contemporary TV pastors/teacher, she looks like the real deal but unfortunately falls short of those who are approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel (1th 2.4).

In fact read 1 Th 2, and see how her "ministry" compares

James 3:1:
Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness

What doctrine is she teaching that is heretical? As a matter of fact, who has cited the heresy in her teaching yet? One's knowledge of the Greek and education has no bearing on one's gift.

And what if she is attempting to use Greek to enhance the understanding of those being taught and she makes a mistake? Everyone makes mistakes...how many times did the King James Bible need corrections? Paul rebuked Peter (Galatians 2:11), should we dismiss Peter for his mistakes?

Someone here falsely accused me of not being "Berean" and does not know my study habits...who is to say that those that listen to Scott aren't doing their own research as they ought to? Do they have "low levels of discernment" too? Do you know that absolutely? Romans 14:4.

I Thessalonians 2:4 "But as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, even so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God who tests our hearts." Paul is defending himself here, not judging another's ministry. It speaks to all of us, we have all been given the Great Commission. I would be careful using this verse to judge another's ministry, only God knows the heart.

But if there is blatant heresy, well that's different...

[Jnthn]

I already told you that I was no shill for Melissa Scott and am not lying. However, you seem to know me better than me.

So you have no problem in trying to attribute thoughts to me, thoughts I disabused you of, yet you can't accommodate an impression based on what you've said and done in this thread?

I think the Irony Meter just shot off the scale.

J

[TomSki]

So you have no problem in trying to attribute thoughts to me, thoughts I disabused you of, yet you can't accommodate an impression based on what you've said and done in this thread?

I think the Irony Meter just shot off the scale.

J

I have nothing against you, brother. There's forgiveness and mercy in Jesus beyond our comprehension...it's the only thing that matters.

[timspong]

What doctrine is she teaching that is heretical? As a matter of fact, who has cited the heresy in her teaching yet? One's knowledge of the Greek and education has no bearing on one's gift.

And what if she is attempting to use Greek to enhance the understanding of those being taught and she makes a mistake? Everyone makes mistakes...how many times did the King James Bible need corrections? Paul rebuked Peter (Galatians 2:11), should we dismiss Peter for his mistakes?

Someone here falsely accused me of not being "Berean" and does not know my study habits...who is to say that those that listen to Scott aren't doing their own research as they ought to? Do they have "low levels of discernment" too? Do you know that absolutely? Romans 14:4.

I Thessalonians 2:4 "But as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, even so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God who tests our hearts." Paul is defending himself here, not judging another's ministry. It speaks to all of us, we have all been given the Great Commission. I would be careful using this verse to judge another's ministry, only God knows the heart.

But if there is blatant heresy, well that's different...

I didn't not mean to suggest that her teaching falls outside the pale of orthodoxy that would suggest that she is a heretical teacher. I am just highlighting that she is not the expert she thinks she is or purports to be, thereby deceiving herself and others. Any pragmatic adherence to orthodoxy is less than useful if your apologetic is flawed and it can do more harm than good, especially considering the influence she has inherited. At least get some real experts / advisers in there to critique her performance before it goes out on air.

As far as why anyone with any level of discernment would bother to continue to listen to her are beyond me although she is certainly not the worst "TV teacher" on the airwaves.

I understand that in 1th2 Paul is defending his own ministry, but I am adamant that it is gives a good comparison for God approved ministry and conduct.

[kohog]

I've watched her two or three times. In the course of them I saw nothing that I objected to.

Her husband was super weird--truly unwatchable, but she (thank goodness) is not. Her shows do drag on too much, for her exegesis is microscopic. She teaches. Period. No preaching at all. In contrast to her husband she is quite sober and understandable ! She is eccentric and she comes across as unusually mentally sharp. In maybe three times viewing her 'show,' I saw nothing of any off-the-wall ideas. I wouldn't in a million years have watched her late husband's version of that broadcast.

I can only say that her Christology was as orthodox as you would want, when I've seen her. The kind of examination that would render the proper ending verdict would require watching her teach many times on many areas in the scripture. I am wary of her though based on her "raising" by Gene Scott.

(Just the fact that she was gullible enough to marry the loony old goat is a stumper !)

That's wild to find out this woman is not the same sci-fi writer and former lesbian that I thought she was. I guess I had got some bad info. there (internet).

Not being a theologian I'm not really privy to your "ology" discussions, but I am born again and have the Spirit of the Lord. I was watching Melissa Scott late one night a few months ago. What interested me was she was teaching on a subject that at the time I was studying - the veil separating the Holy Place from the Most Holy in Moses' Tabernacle. I "Googled" her and this site came up.

To be honest I wasn't impressed with her demeanor, marching to and fro from from one end of the stage to the other barely acknowleding those who came to listen to her. I'm aware we're not to be judgmental (in a destructive way) but we are exhorted to examine what we hear, be a Berean and to test the spirits - especially these days. Christ & Paul forewarned us on several occasions that false prophets shall rise up in the last days and mis-lead many. They wouldn't waste so much effort if there were not a real need for the warning. So I checked further and found quite a bit of info from her background and also comments from those who know her and who've worked with her. What I gleaned was not positive and confirmed what I felt inside. We're told "we shall know them by their fruits!"

When listening to anyone teaching scripture I look for one thing only - how can this word apply to our lives to cause growth in Christ? My understanding is the word of God is given to transform us from earthly to heavenly - in this life. I found her explanation of the four colors used in the veil to be weak and uninspired. I cannot figure out how she came to that conclusion, either, as she made no effort to elaborate. She said "blue" represented the "eternal" gospel of John and the other colors to the other three gospels (forget which was which). Sorry, the explanation is lost on me and the knowledge gained, as far as I can see, of no use. I was disappointed.

[ExArmyGuy]

To me it doesn't make much sense, if a women has knowledge of God, and His ways, and can lend some knowledge to another, there has to be soemthign behind these verses we do not see.

Does this mean a woman cannot even teach SCHOOL?

Maybe in that verse "teach" means soemthing else? maybe a translation misnomer, perhaps its not teach as in transfer of knowledge where it actually means liek a parent teaches a child? in that way, a woman would not be able to "teach" a man a lesson because she has no authority to do so over him. This would fit the verse where it kind of explains teach = authority.


I would have to study this further, because on the surface, it is illogical that women cannot teach as in transfer knowledge.

It seems if we hold this to be true, then in this day and age, it woudl be a little weird to have no women allowed to teach anythign whatsoever. Our world today woudl be very different if women were truly never to teach or have any authority whatsoever.

I mean it seems a waste of God's resources. I think it might have been more to the era, then future eras but again its hard to say without further studies.

I really do think there is something further here, which deserves study and clarification.

as to Darth Xena not seeing this, I rather she did, she is very smart and probably has the answer to this little mystery.

i would tend to say.. and maybe some of you wont agree with me... that in a personal letter to Titus that maybe Paul was was speaking as himself... it is possible that Paul... as much as i respect the man... because he did pretty much prevent Christianity from reverting to Judaism... was speaking as an erring man... IE... he can have wrong OPINIONS

[ExArmyGuy]

I didn't not mean to suggest that her teaching falls outside the pale of orthodoxy that would suggest that she is a heretical teacher. I am just highlighting that she is not the expert she thinks she is or purports to be, thereby deceiving herself and others. Any pragmatic adherence to orthodoxy is less than useful if your apologetic is flawed and it can do more harm than good, especially considering the influence she has inherited. At least get some real experts / advisers in there to critique her performance before it goes out on air.

As far as why anyone with any level of discernment would bother to continue to listen to her are beyond me although she is certainly not the worst "TV teacher" on the airwaves.

I understand that in 1th2 Paul is defending his own ministry, but I am adamant that it is gives a good comparison for God approved ministry and conduct.

I think you should listen to her at some point tim... because even if you've watched the program.. you obviously havent listened... she didnt want her position... she was ordained by Dr. Scott who was also a GOD Ordained minister... in my book that makes her qualified... she's never claimed to be an expert.. she comes on there every sunday and says hey.... this is what i've discovered... let me share it with you... i say she's an expert through God's grace, and thats what she attributes the findings of her studies to also...

[timspong]

i would tend to say.. and maybe some of you wont agree with me... that in a personal letter to Titus that maybe Paul was was speaking as himself... it is possible that Paul... as much as i respect the man... because he did pretty much prevent Christianity from reverting to Judaism... was speaking as an erring man... IE... he can have wrong OPINIONS

Well that is pretty much the only conclusion that you can come to. Either Women should be able to teach inferring Pauls teaching is wrong or Paul is inerrant and women shouldn't teach or have authority over a man.

This was also answered recently by Joyce Meyer, who when confronted with this same question, just shouted out "HOGWASH" to a standing ovation from the audience.

It is funny that this has only really become an issue within the last 50 years that roughly coincides with the advent of the post-modern era.

[Pilgrim]

I think you should listen to her at some point tim... because even if you've watched the program.. you obviously havent listened... she didnt want her position... she was ordained by Dr. Scott who was also a GOD Ordained minister... in my book that makes her qualified... she's never claimed to be an expert.. she comes on there every sunday and says hey.... this is what i've discovered... let me share it with you... i say she's an expert through God's grace, and thats what she attributes the findings of her studies to also...

I don't want to be a jerk here but how can you call her an expert by God's grace when she gets so much wrong? And who the heck is Dr. Gene Scott to be ordaining anybody? Might as well be Jim Jones as far as I am concerned.