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Originally posted by seanD View PostCP sort of touched on this. But if I asked Tony Guglielmo why there was a need to register my guns, he would likely answer: "The goal is to have fewer of these types of weapons in circulation." So I would address your question with another question. How does registering these guns keep them from circulation? What did he mean by that?
I've only lived in countries where you have to have your guns registered. And the reason why I don't own any guns apart from my paintball markers, is I really couldn't be bothered dealing with the paper work, whereas a friend of mine who enjoys hunting happily did the paper work and has, between his roommate and him, a small arsenal of rifles and shotguns (no pistols as they are a LOT more restricted, i.e. lots more paper work hoops to jump through)Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
1 Corinthians 16:13
"...he [Doherty] is no historian and he is not even conversant with the historical discussions of the very matters he wants to pontificate on."
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Originally posted by Raphael View PostI'm guessing more red tape for people to jump through means less people who are going to bother to jump through the red tape.
I've only lived in countries where you have to have your guns registered. And the reason why I don't own any guns apart from my paintball markers, is I really couldn't be bothered dealing with the paper work, whereas a friend of mine who enjoys hunting happily did the paper work and has, between his roommate and him, a small arsenal of rifles and shotguns (no pistols as they are a LOT more restricted, i.e. lots more paper work hoops to jump through)
So you can see from the standpoint of a gun owner why they'd suspicious of the policy. That should answer PM's question.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostSo you can see from the standpoint of a gun owner why they'd suspicious of the policy. That should answer PM's question.
(I do believe there are reasons to know -- such as I am mentally ill*, a convicted felon, have threatened my neighbors with violence, etc)
*Rogue has long made this assertionThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostThat's another interesting issue that could lead to an even deeper debate. What if a government employee/employer feels that a law is unconstitutional.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWell, that's how we get "sanctuary cities". I'm just saying that there's a lot of hypocrisy when somebody demands that officials "faithfully execute their office" by upholding laws, while, at the same time, implementing a policy of ignoring laws like immigration of "whatever". So much of it comes down to politics, not justice.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostExactly. Unless they have a compelling reason (probable cause) to know what guns (if any) I have, they don't need that information. I am a law abiding citizen, and innocent until proven guilty.
(I do believe there are reasons to know -- such as I am mentally ill*, a convicted felon, have threatened my neighbors with violence, etc)
*Rogue has long made this assertionI'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostCP sort of touched on this. But if I asked Tony Guglielmo why there was a need to register my guns, he would likely answer: "The goal is to have fewer of these types of weapons in circulation." So I would address your question with another question. How does registering these guns keep them from circulation? What did he mean by that?"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostWhy are people so against a gun registry?"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIf the government isn't going to do anything with it, why are they so interested in a gun registry?
Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Posthave you seen Red Dawn?
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostJust curious -- what other personal property (kept in our homes) does the government routinely require us to "register"?
And the government has demonstrated a willingness to abuse "collected information", like IRS filings, applications for tax exemptions, etc. Who gets to see this "registry"? What is its purpose? What guaranty do we have it won't be leaked?
What probable cause does the government have that gives them an interest in what I keep in my own home?
Originally posted by seanD View PostCP sort of touched on this. But if I asked Tony Guglielmo why there was a need to register my guns, he would likely answer: "The goal is to have fewer of these types of weapons in circulation." So I would address your question with another question. How does registering these guns keep them from circulation? What did he mean by that?
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostYou mean beyond the fact that such measures would have done nothing to prevent mass shootings and are just (at best) a knee jerk reaction that doesn't solve the actual problem, but ends up costing lots of money to implement?
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostWho's coming to take over swaths of the country?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostNot if you're just talking registration, but with other legislation in combination I do believe prevention would be possible."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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I think the notion of selectively enforcing laws is more widespread than we think. Remember that snake handling pastor who died? Snake handling is against the law in Kentucky but they openly said they weren't going to enforce that law."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI think the notion of selectively enforcing laws is more widespread than we think. Remember that snake handling pastor who died? Snake handling is against the law in Kentucky but they openly said they weren't going to enforce that law."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostLike what?Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostI think doing something with it would be the point.
Who's coming to take over swaths of the country?
If it's that you don't trust the government, other countries that have gun registries haven't had them abused, to my knowledge. Is there a reason to be particularly distrustful of the US government? I also don't think a registry qualifies as a search or seizure.
Maybe in regard to gun show and private sale?
Not if you're just talking registration, but with other legislation in combination I do believe prevention would be possible.I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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