SNL and God's Not Gay

[Gary]

Ah. So Gary, you support the idea of the government being able to tell you what you must do with your own goods or services?

Under some circumstances, yes, when it is in the best interest of the "herd" (the people of the United States).

[Secular Liberation]

Gary, you're confusing mandatory segregation (it was encoded in law) with voluntary refusal of service.

Read up on the 1964 Civil Rights Act, it clearly states that someone can not refuse service of someone based on their race, religion, sex, or national origin. When has a gay bakery refused service to a Christian couple?

[Apologiaphoenix]

Under some circumstances, yes, when it is in the best interest of the "herd" (the people of the United States).

Why should the government have the right to tell you what you must do with your own property?

[Secular Liberation]

Why should the government have the right to tell you what you must do with your own property?

To keep us away from discrimination apologists like you. You're doing nothing but following in segregationists' footsteps.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...cist-anti-gay/

[Apologiaphoenix]

To keep us away from discrimination apologists like you. You're doing nothing but following in segregationists' footsteps.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...cist-anti-gay/

So you're fine with the government telling you what you must do with your property?

[Secular Liberation]

So you're fine with the government telling you what you must do with your property?

In terms of the freedom of others yes.

[Rational Gaze]

To keep us away from discrimination apologists like you. You're doing nothing but following in segregationists' footsteps.

Oh, the irony.

In terms of the freedom of others yes.

You keep using that word. It does not mean what you think it means.

[Secular Liberation]

Oh, the irony.


You keep using that word. It does not mean what you think it means.

How? He's clearly saying that discrimination is okay.

[Apologiaphoenix]

If the government can control any of our property, they can control all of it. There is no freedom in such a situation.

[Apologiaphoenix]

How? He's clearly saying that discrimination is okay.

Do you think all discrimination is wrong?

[Secular Liberation]

Do you think all discrimination is wrong?

No, but in the past religious people have been on the wrong side of history when addressing discrimination.

[Gary]

Why should the government have the right to tell you what you must do with your own property?

There is no "should" involved here, Nick. It's the law. The majority of the "herd" wants it that way so that is the way it is.

Remember, the majority of the herd, or at least those in power in the herd, decide the rules (morality). The majority of the people in the United States since 1965 do not want property owners of businesses within our borders to discriminate against people based on race, religion, sex, or country of origin, and very soon I believe (possibly after the next supreme court justice is seated), "sexual orientation" will be added to that list of protected categories.

[Gary]

If the government can control any of our property, they can control all of it. There is no freedom in such a situation.

So if your neighbor wants to build a pollution spewing factory, in your residential neighborhood, right next door to your house, he should be able to do so since it is his property?

Freedom has its limits, Nick. That is why we have legislatures and courts to define those limits. I definitely support freedom of speech; freedom for individuals to speak their minds, but, within limits. For instance, I am against the freedom to yell "fire" in a crowded theater, or to repeatedly scream "nigger" at the top of your lungs in a public park.

[Apologiaphoenix]

No, but in the past religious people have been on the wrong side of history when addressing discrimination.

We're talking about the freedom someone has to do with what they want. It looks like you oppose that because the government knows better.

Despite it's the government that's always had to be changed in the past.

[Apologiaphoenix]

So if your neighbor wants to build a pollution spewing factory, in your residential neighborhood, right next door to your house, he should be able to do so since it is his property?

If something illegal is being done that's different. You can't use your own property to murder for instance due to natural law.

As for your above comment, that just enables the government to become a tool the majority can wield at any time. That's a killer of individual freedom.

If you say you value freedom, really do so realizing some people will use freedom in ways you and/or I won't like.