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    The first Clovis burial found of one year old infant.

    Recent important Clovis discovery reveals some things about the origins and ancestors.


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    Ancient DNA Ties Native Americans From Two Continents To Clovis

    The mysterious Clovis culture, which appeared in North America about 13,000 years ago, appears to be the forerunner of Native Americans throughout the Americas, according to a study in Nature. Scientists have read the genetic sequence of a baby from a Clovis burial site in Montana to help fill out the story of the earliest Americans.

    Until now, archaeologists have had to rely mainly on tools made of stone and bone, and other artifacts to tell the story of human migration about 15,000 years ago to the new world.

    Now that story is bolstered with some dramatic, ancient DNA, extracted from the remains of a 1-year-old boy who died in present-day Montana more than 12,000 years ago.

    That's the only human skeleton known from a brief but prolific culture in the Americas called Clovis.

    "Clovis is what we like to refer to as an 'archaeological complex,' " says Michael Waters, an archaeologist at Texas A&M University. That complex is defined by characteristic tools, he says.

    The Clovis artifacts were common for about 400 years, starting about 13,000 years ago. But at this point, there is only one set of human remains associated with those sorts of tools: that of the baby from Montana.

    "So this genetic study actually provides us with a look at who these people were," Waters says.

    The most obvious conclusion from the study is that the Clovis people who lived on the Anzick site in Montana were genetically very much like Native Americans throughout the Western Hemisphere.

    "The Anzick family is directly ancestral to so many peoples in the Americas," says Eske Willerslev, from the University of Copenhagen. "That's astonishing!"

    He led the effort to read that genome. The genes reveal that early Americans are the product of two lineages that most likely met and interbred in Asia before making the trek across the Bering land bridge.

    "So this strongly suggests that there was a single migration of people into the Americas," Waters says. "And these people were probably the people who eventually gave rise to Clovis."

    The finding contradicts a long-shot hypothesis that Clovis' ancestors actually came from Europe, not Asia. But it leaves many other questions about Clovis unresolved.
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    I am not sure I understand how this suggests a single migration of people into the Americas, as opposed to a series of migrations by the same Asian ancestors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedidiah View Post
    I am not sure I understand how this suggests a single migration of people into the Americas, as opposed to a series of migrations by the same Asian ancestors.
    I am not sure how the came to this conclusion, but I think their conclusion was based on genetic research on bones from burials of a similar age in Asia. I consider the sea route still a viable alternative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedidiah View Post
    I am not sure I understand how this suggests a single migration of people into the Americas, as opposed to a series of migrations by the same Asian ancestors.
    This doesn't rule out later migrations from Asia or Europe, but does eliminate the possibility that the Clovis culture, specifically, had European ancestry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outis View Post
    This doesn't rule out later migrations from Asia or Europe, but does eliminate the possibility that the Clovis culture, specifically, had European ancestry.
    That European bit never had more than a fringe acceptance did it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedidiah View Post
    That European bit never had more than a fringe acceptance did it?
    It was a bone of contention for years, and if it was only a fringe contention, the fringe in this case was pretty darn loud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outis View Post
    This doesn't rule out later migrations from Asia or Europe, but does eliminate the possibility that the Clovis culture, specifically, had European ancestry.
    I have to check on this, but I believe the Asian origins are more Siberian then Eurasian genetically. They were not the first nor the only immigrants from Eurasian. About 80% of all Native Americans share Clovis DNA. but it is still mixed with other Eurasian immigrants.

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    When I first saw the thread title, I thought it was going to be about my ancestor Clovis, founder of the Merovivngian Dynasty!
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    Quote Originally Posted by robrecht View Post
    When I first saw the thread title, I thought it was going to be about my ancestor Clovis, founder of the Merovivngian Dynasty!
    Wrong Clovis ... unless he had a hobby of making flint arrowheads.
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