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    Quote Originally Posted by robrecht View Post
    When I first saw the thread title, I thought it was going to be about my ancestor Clovis, founder of the Merovivngian Dynasty!
    My ancestor, the Merovingian will rule the world and I will be the Emperor. Frank of the Franks.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    My ancestor, the Merovingian will rule the world and I will be the Emperor. Frank of the Franks.
    We're related!
    βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
    ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

    אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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    Quote Originally Posted by robrecht View Post
    We're related!
    So if I hit either of you with the phrase "May I be frank with you?" you'll get the pun.

    I should be ashamed of myself. Frankly.
    "I am Noman, and Noman has done this to you!"

    A man who has been through bitter experiences and travelled far enjoys even his sufferings after a time.

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    You could never be Frank. He's special. Has his own unique haecceitas.
    βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
    ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

    אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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    Quote Originally Posted by robrecht View Post
    We're related!
    One of my ancestors was a member of the royal house of the Franks.

    Frank of the Franks
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    One of my ancestors was a member of the royal house of the Franks.

    Frank of the Franks
    How much do you know about him? I'll ask my grandparents what they recall.
    βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
    ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

    אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedidiah View Post
    I am not sure I understand how this suggests a single migration of people into the Americas, as opposed to a series of migrations by the same Asian ancestors.
    Ancestry. It's the same way we establish cladistics in evolution. Certain sequences and features exist across multiple groups. Those same features and sequences do not exist in other groups. Hence, the features and sequences arose after a split occurred. If they had arisen before, they would be present in both lineages barring a loss of such features later (which we can still track).

    A good example of this is the GULO gene which is responsible for making Vitamin C in mammals. Primates (including humans) share a broken GULO gene and cannot produce their own. Guinea pigs also have a broken gene, but it's broken in a different spot. The GULO gene shows up in all mammals, though, indicating it came first. It's only after populations split off that the gene was mutated/broken later. That's why primates all have the same broken gene and guinea pigs have a differently broken gene.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robrecht View Post
    How much do you know about him? I'll ask my grandparents what they recall.
    You would have to back a few+ more generations. All I know is that when things got uncomfortable in France he ducked out and headed to Ireland.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    You would have to back a few+ more generations. All I know is that when things got uncomfortable in France he ducked out and headed to Ireland.
    We stuck around until Cardinal Richelieu started chopping our heads off, then we escaped to Haiti. During the slave rebellion there, two children were smuggled into New Orleans in barrels without their parents. Eventually, my ancestors made their way to Kentucky. When I was living with the Capuchins in Paris to learn French, I announced the fact that I was descended from French nobility, and they were all aghast that an American would make such an obviously false claim. Kentucky, of all places! I assured them that they should not worry, that my relatives had done quite well in America, actually winning an award at a Kentucky state fair for raising hogs. One of them, a librarian at the Bibliothèque nationale de France, actually tried to prove that my particular line had actually died out. But there I was. I was very happy to let them know that we were still around and ready to serve France again as their leaders if ever the need should arise.
    βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
    ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

    אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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    Quote Originally Posted by robrecht View Post
    We stuck around until Cardinal Richelieu started chopping our heads off, then we escaped to Haiti. During the slave rebellion there, two children were smuggled into New Orleans in barrels without their parents. Eventually, my ancestors made their way to Kentucky. When I was living with the Capuchins in Paris to learn French, I announced the fact that I was descended from French nobility, and they were all aghast that an American would make such an obviously false claim. Kentucky, of all places! I assured them that they should not worry, that my relatives had done quite well in America, actually winning an award at a Kentucky state fair for raising hogs. One of them, a librarian at the Bibliothèque nationale de France, actually tried to prove that my particular line had actually died out. But there I was. I was very happy to let them know that we were still around and ready to serve France again as their leaders if ever the need should arise.
    were likely distant cousins of a sort. I will try ad look up his name.
    Last edited by shunyadragon; 03-02-2014 at 04:52 PM.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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