Helping out Debunking Christianity

[TolkienFan]

Originally posted by Doubting John

Give us the guilt ridden, the brow beaten, the outcasts, the wounded soldiers, and we shall heal thee. Give us the religiously wicked, the victimizers, and the defenders of Biblical atrocities, and we shall beat thee down. Give us the brainwashed, the superstitious, the ignorant, and we shall teach thee. Give us the masters of gerrymandering who are exhausted from intellectual feats like spinning several plates up on several sticks, and we shall give thee rest.

No, I think this sounds better:

Debunking Christianity: Where a Ph.D is just another excuse for stupidity.

[Dee Dee Warren]

Thanks for noticing.

Funny you should use that word.

[Dee Dee Warren]

Debunking Christianity: We don't have gills. Ergo there is no God.

[Doubting John]

Funny you should use that word.

[Doubting John]

Debunking Christianity: We don't have gills. Ergo there is no God.

You have absolutely no imagination when it comes to an omnipotent God who can supposedly do anything possible.

[lilpixieofterror]

You have absolutely no imagination when it comes to an omnipotent God who can supposedly do anything possible.

It is the level of your own arguments.

[Chaotic Void]

You have absolutely no imagination when it comes to an omnipotent God who can supposedly do anything possible.

Any dummy can list off things God hasn't done.
It's figuring out why he did what he did that takes thinking [and even some creativity].
If you don't like the fact that he gave us lungs and not gills, then get used to it.

[Truth be Told]

You have absolutely no imagination when it comes to an omnipotent God who can supposedly do anything possible.

And this supports the validity of your argument HOW?

[Doubting John]

Any dummy can list off things God hasn't done.
It's figuring out why he did what he did that takes thinking [and even some creativity].
If you don't like the fact that he gave us lungs and not gills, then get used to it.

And if you're content to believe in a good omnipotent God when there were clearly better ways to create, then so be it.

God could've easily created all creatures as vegetarians. Not only would it eliminate cannibalism, shark, and bear attacks on us, and lethal parasite attacks, but also the horrendus types of suffering we see every single second in the natural world as animals are literally eating others while still alive.

[Chaotic Void]

And if you're content to believe in a good omnipotent God when there were clearly better ways to create, then so be it.

We can't say that there were "better" ways to create unless we have other ways done to compare them to. [In other words, unless there's a way to demonstrate that these "better" methods are in actuality better than what we've got, you have absolutely nothing worthwhile to go on.]

God could've easily created all creatures as vegetarians. Not only would it eliminate cannibalism, shark, and bear attacks on us, and lethal parasite attacks, but also the horrendus types of suffering we see every single second in the natural world as animals are literally eating others while still alive.

Because you think making every creature on the earth vegetarians is the best way to go, how would the digestive systems and nutrition intake of meat-eaters be changed [including us]?
Certainly you must know what must be done and how it will be done... after all, you seem to think you're smarter and better than God on his own turf.

And aside from that, if God did make everyone vegetarians back when he created everything, then today you'd be more than likely be complaining about species overpopulating the Earth and lack of edible greens and why God couldn't have made all creatures Meat-eaters.

[Dee Dee Warren]

You have absolutely no imagination when it comes to an omnipotent God who can supposedly do anything possible.

Even God can't create an atheist so stupid that you wouldn't be stupider.

[The Curtmudgeon]

...God could've easily created all creatures as vegetarians. Not only would it eliminate cannibalism, shark, and bear attacks on us, and lethal parasite attacks, but also the horrendus types of suffering we see every single second in the natural world as animals are literally eating others while still alive.

Um, DJ, for someone who claims to have been a minister, you certainly do show surprising ignorance of the Bible from time to time. God did create all creatures as vegetarians:

Genesis 1:29-30

²⁹ And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. ³⁰ And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Genesis 2:16

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Genesis 2:18-20

¹⁸ And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. ¹⁹ And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof. ²⁰ And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

(The point in the last passage being that God didn't create the animals and birds to be food, but to be "an help meet (that is, fitting) for him.")

Genesis 3:17-19

¹⁷ And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed [is] the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat [of] it [that is, of what grows from the ground] all the days of thy life; ¹⁸ Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; ¹⁹ In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou [art], and unto dust shalt thou return.

Genesis 6:11-12

¹¹ The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. ¹² And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

(The point being that at this point, just before the Flood, violence filled the earth, including "all flesh" not just mankind, and that this was a corruption of God's original creation.)

Genesis 6:19-21

¹⁹ And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every [sort] shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep [them] alive with thee; they shall be male and female. ²⁰ Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every [sort] shall come unto thee, to keep [them] alive. ²¹ And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather [it] to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

(Note two things here: The food is mentioned separately from the animals; and that the same kind of food was eaten by Noah and his family as by the animals.)

Genesis 9:1-4

¹ And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. ² And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth [upon] the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. ³ Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. ⁴ But flesh with the life thereof, [which is] the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

It is only after the Flood that God grants Noah and his family the right to eat animals. This also implies that it is only after this point that carnivorous nature became truly a natural part of some animals; before, their violence was corruption, not natural, and all animals naturally ate the same kinds of food (even though some may have already, in their corruption, begun to eat that which they had killed). I do believe that with the entrance of Death into the world following Adam's sin, God had allowed some animals the work of scavengers, since otherwise the accumulation of dead bodies would have eventually overwhelmed the world with diseases. But given that the world was not immediately fully populated, it's quite possible that prior to the Flood, men just simply moved to new territories as previously-settled areas became uninhabitable (until other forms of decay had rendered the area useful again).

The (y'know, DJ, even though you're now a skeptic and all, you could still read the Book from time to time -- just so you don't trip yourself up, if nothing else) Curtmudgeon

[Rayado]

Even God can't create an atheist so stupid that you wouldn't be stupider.

Not even this one?

[jpholding]

God could've easily created all creatures as vegetarians..

So, you're saying every time you hit the drive thru at Burger King, you send the cow's mother a sympathy card?

[The Curtmudgeon]

Not even this one?

Wow. That's ... um ... impressive, alright. But I still think you're not giving DJ enough credit. I just feel that DJ can top even that, if he really lets himself get going.

The (and I'm sure we'll all be here to see it when he does) Curtmudgeon