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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    ". . . And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them? . . ." -- Exodus 6:3.
    The name of God is not an ordinary name like any other name.

    God’s name is composed of the four letters that form the initials of "yom hashishi vay'chulu hashamayim" at the changeover from the sixth day, the profane, to the seventh day, the holy.

    In the future it will become revealed that “the Lord is one and his name is one.” (Zechariah 14:9)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geert van den Bos View Post
    The name of God is not an ordinary name like any other name.

    God’s name is composed of the four letters that form the initials of "yom hashishi vay'chulu hashamayim" at the changeover from the sixth day, the profane, to the seventh day, the holy.

    In the future it will become revealed that “the Lord is one and his name is one.” (Zechariah 14:9)
    ". . . And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one." -- Zechariah 14:9.
    ". . . that God may be all in all." -- 1 Corithians 15:28.

    God,s Name means Self-Existent. In the third person for the I AM (Exodus 3:14) meaning the Who-Is.

    ". . . Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, . . ." -- Ephesians 3:15.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post

    God,s Name means Self-Existent. In the third person for the I AM (Exodus 3:14) meaning the Who-Is.
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    Rashi:

    “Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)”: “I will be” with them in this predicament “what I will be” with them in their subjugation by other kingdoms. He [Moses] said before Him, “O Lord of the universe! Why should I mention to them another trouble? They have enough [problems] with this one.” He said to him, “You have spoken well. So shall you say, etc.” -[from Ber. 9b] (Not that Moses, God forbid, outsmarted God, but he did not understand what God meant, because originally, when God said, “I will be what I will be,” He told this to Moses alone, and He did not mean that he should tell it to Israel. That is the meaning of “You have spoken well,” for that was My original intention, that you should not tell such things to the children of Israel, only “So shall you say to the children of Israel,” ‘Ehyeh [I will be] has sent me.’”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geert van den Bos View Post
    Rashi:
    Then according of your Rashi, that god is not God. The ucaused existence needs no God. And only the uncaused existence is self existent, nothing else is.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    Then according of your Rashi, that god is not God. The ucaused existence needs no God. And only the uncaused existence is self existent, nothing else is.
    Do you mean that there is no reason for God to be there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geert van den Bos View Post
    Do you mean that there is no reason for God to be there?
    No. Only that which is self existent is the uncaused existence. Uncaused existence needs no God. Any entity contingent on existing is not God.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    No. Only that which is self existent is the uncaused existence.

    I thought reason and cause to be synonyms ...


    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    Uncaused existence needs no God. Any entity contingent on existing is not God.
    Is that also why they crucified Jesus?

    Mark 15:26,

    καὶ ἦν ἡ ἐπιγραφὴ τῆς αἰτίας αὐτοῦ ἐπιγεγραμμένη, Ὁ βασιλεὺς τῶν Ἰουδαίων.

    αἰτία
    1) cause, reason 2) cause for which one is worthy of punishment, crime 3) charge of crime, accusation

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    I tried to look up these two words:

    Moreover, if we were truly dealing with revelation of a name that had not previous been known (as Bible criticism tries to maintain), then the root g-l-h (?? Gelah - to reveal), to reveal, would have been used, and not y-d-‘ (Yada), to know (p. 148). According to Benno Jacob, the distinction between the name El Shaddai and the tetragrammaton in our parasha is also reflected in the verbs that are used in conjunction with these two names: “appeared” and “made myself known:”

    These verbs do not denote a greater or lesser intimacy in G-d’s revelation to the individual human being. It is a fact that Numbers 12:6 states with respect to the lower degree of prophecy, “I make Myself known to him in a vision” (using both the roots, r-a-h (Raah??), to see, and y-d-‘, to know)…


    and Adam knew (yada—from the word Daat) Eve - Immediately following the episode of the expulsion from Eden we are told that Adam yada, knew, his wife. Apparently the word yada implies an experience. Similarly, Etz Ha'Daat, the Tree of Knowledge, was a tree of experience.

    and, The Ramban interprets the word yodei as meaning loving, similar to (Bereishis 4:1), ‘Ve HaAdam yada es Chava ishto, Adam “knew” his wife Chava. The term “yodei shemechah v’lomdei Torasecha, those who know Your name and learn Your Torah, “ connotes the concept of those who love Your name rather than those who know Your name.


    the root g-l-h (Gelah)– exile but also, g-l-h is also the root for “to reveal.”


    Reference:

    The Way to God: Interesting article to read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marta View Post
    I tried to look up these two words:

    Moreover, if we were truly dealing with revelation of a name that had not previous been known (as Bible criticism tries to maintain), then the root g-l-h (?? Gelah - to reveal), to reveal, would have been used, and not y-d-‘ (Yada), to know (p. 148). According to Benno Jacob, the distinction between the name El Shaddai and the tetragrammaton in our parasha is also reflected in the verbs that are used in conjunction with these two names: “appeared” and “made myself known:”

    These verbs do not denote a greater or lesser intimacy in G-d’s revelation to the individual human being. It is a fact that Numbers 12:6 states with respect to the lower degree of prophecy, “I make Myself known to him in a vision” (using both the roots, r-a-h (Raah??), to see, and y-d-‘, to know)…


    and Adam knew (yada—from the word Daat) Eve - Immediately following the episode of the expulsion from Eden we are told that Adam yada, knew, his wife. Apparently the word yada implies an experience. Similarly, Etz Ha'Daat, the Tree of Knowledge, was a tree of experience.

    and, The Ramban interprets the word yodei as meaning loving, similar to (Bereishis 4:1), ‘Ve HaAdam yada es Chava ishto, Adam “knew” his wife Chava. The term “yodei shemechah v’lomdei Torasecha, those who know Your name and learn Your Torah, “ connotes the concept of those who love Your name rather than those who know Your name.


    the root g-l-h (Gelah)– exile but also, g-l-h is also the root for “to reveal.”


    Reference:

    The Way to God: Interesting article to read.
    Numbers 12:5-8,
    The Lord descended in a pillar of cloud and stood at the entrance of the Tent. He called to Aaron and Miriam, and they both went out.
    He said, "Please listen to My words. If there be prophets among you, (I) the Lord I will make Myself known to him in a vision ; I will speak to him in a dream.
    Not so is My servant Moses; he is faithful throughout My house.
    With him I speak mouth to mouth; in a vision and not in riddles, and he beholds the image of the Lord. So why were you not afraid to speak against My servant Moses ?


    Rashi: http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_...showrashi=true
    (I) the Lord will make Myself known to him in a vision : The Divine Presence of My Name is not revealed to him with distinct clarity, but in a dream or a vision. - [Tanchuma Tzav 13]

    in a vision but not in riddles: “A vision” refers to the vision of speech, for I express My communication to Him with absolute clarity, and I do not obscure it with riddles in the way it was said to Ezekiel, “Present a riddle” (Ezek. 17:2). I might think that it refers to the vision of the Divine Presence [itself]! Scripture therefore teaches, “You are not able to see My face” (Exod. 33:23). - [Sifrei Beha’alothecha 1:42:8, Tanchuma Tzav 13]
    v. 6 has "bamarah" - בַּמַּרְאָה
    v.8 has "umarèh" - וּמַרְאֶה

    "marah" = mirror; vision, revelation

    "marèh" = sight, view, seeing, appearance, vision.

    After this Paul wrote, 1 Corinthians 13:12,

    βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι' ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον: ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

    For now we see through a mirror in riddles, then from face to face; now I know in parts, then I shall know even as I am known.
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    Two verses:

    6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

    and,

    Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit

    15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

    ---John 14 Line 15, again - and as you pointed out earlier on the comparative to John 1:10 (to make known what was not known - like e.g. Exodus) He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—

    In contrast to the verb “to see,” here the verb “to know” (vida’atem) is interpreted as pertaining to realization of something,

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