What Does The Term "Virgin" Signify?

[Minnesota]

Asking because in a survey of 900+ middle- and high-school students, 30% believe oral sex destroys virginity, and 84% believe anal sex does. Because this last figure is very close to the percentage of Christians in the USA (82%) is this something Christians are teaching their children? If not, should they be?

See HERE.

[Philosophickle]

Of course oral sex isn't "sex".

[Crow]

A president even said so.

[Minnesota]

Of course oral sex isn't "sex".

Well, 30% of these kids disagree with your "of course," so evidently someone is feeding them a line of BS. Got any ideas?

A president even said so.

And there were WMD and we are winning the war in Iraq because a president even says so.

[Philosophickle]

Well, 30% of these kids disagree with your "of course," so evidently someone is feeding them a line of BS. Got any ideas?.

Yeah:

"Kids, stop being so retarded. Let's think about this for a second. If oral sex was sex, then the following odd situation must be accounted for. A girl and a guy (both virgins prior to) are having oral sex, when the parents break in before it is the fella's turn. Now, are you going to tell me that they both lost their virginity when the dude kept his pants on the whole time? Or perhaps the girl lost her virginity while her sexual partner kept his?"

QED

[Minnesota]

Yeah:

"Kids, stop being so retarded. Let's think about this for a second. If oral sex was sex, then the following odd situation must be accounted for. A girl and a guy (both virgins prior to) are having oral sex, when the parents break in before it is the fella's turn. Now, are you going to tell me that they both lost their virginity when the dude kept his pants on the whole time? Or perhaps the girl lost her virginity while her sexual partner kept his?"

QED

I understand how the term is sometimes used colloquially for males, but a lot of Christians (most?) restrict it to females

Morally, virginity signifies the reverence for bodily integrity which is suggested by a virtuous motive. Thus understood, it is common to both sexes, and may exist in a women even after bodily violation committed upon her against her will. Physically, it implies a bodily integrity, visible evidence of which exists only in women.

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A rather odd view---it's new to me----in that rape does not rob a woman of her virginity.

[Darth Executor]

Yeah:

"Kids, stop being so retarded. Let's think about this for a second. If oral sex was sex, then the following odd situation must be accounted for. A girl and a guy (both virgins prior to) are having oral sex, when the parents break in before it is the fella's turn. Now, are you going to tell me that they both lost their virginity when the dude kept his pants on the whole time? Or perhaps the girl lost her virginity while her sexual partner kept his?"

QED

So one side has to get pleasure out of the act before it's considered sex? Does that mean that if there's "genuine intercourse" and one or both parties don't have an orgasm, it's not sex?

[Bill the Cat]

There's a difference between keeping your virginity and keeping your purity. We teach our kids that BOTH are critical to maintain until marriage.

[Philosophickle]

So one side has to get pleasure out of the act before it's considered sex? Does that mean that if there's "genuine intercourse" and one or both parties don't have an orgasm, it's not sex?

It has nothing to do with pleasure. But it ridiculous to say that someone loses their virginity without ever taking their pants off.

[familyof6]

I always understood the loss of virginity to be when sexual intercourse occurs. I don't think orgasm matters...I know there are plenty of unhappy people that have sex all the time and don't climax; they're still having sexual intercourse. Oral sex does not constittute a loss of virginity, IMO. However, I think anal sex could be considered loss of virginity if it happens between 2 males.

[Darth Executor]

It has nothing to do with pleasure. But it ridiculous to say that someone loses their virginity without ever taking their pants off.

You can have normal sex with your pants on. I don't think the position of your pants is a deciding factor.

[Philosophickle]

You can have normal sex with your pants on. I don't think the position of your pants is a deciding factor.

There is nothing normal about keeping it in your pants during sex. Maybe in Romania...

[Little Shepherd]

A rather odd view---it's new to me----in that rape does not rob a woman of her virginity.

The quote is stating that there are both moral and physical aspects of virginity, and that rape, while it does destroy the physical aspect of virginity in a woman, has no bearing on her morality. The victim of rape is morally clean, without shame, and considered every bit as chaste as anyone else who doesn't willingly engage in extramarital sex.

Reading comprehension. I has it!

[themuzicman]

Well, 30% of these kids disagree with your "of course," so evidently someone is feeding them a line of BS. Got any ideas?

A former president comes to mind....

[Vigilante]

How old are middle and high school students?

Is it that they "think", that it is their "opinion" that oral/anal sex constitutes a loss of virginity? Or that they were taught it does.

Also I think there is a difference between physical virginity and emotional virginity. A girl who goes "all the way" with a guy in anal sex may not be a technical virgin, but there is not much left to discover emotionally as far as that is concerned. It used to be that most girls who marry as virgins haven't even SEEN a naked man, let alone had anal sex with who knows how many men before that. Virginity and purity/innocence are related I think.

And also, speaking of "signify", what does your sig mean Minn?