Thread: Impossible Faith?
December 31st 2007, 03:52 PM #796
Re: Impossible Faith?No, I am not much concerned about superstition except for its negative effect on social and technical advancement.
What is the negative effect exactly that you are speaking of, give me a very precise example.
You say your god has a nature, but ALL gods have had a nature created for them by their human inventers. Why is yours any different?
I invent nothing, I am only an Aware observe of the Glory of God and The Work of His Mighty Hands.
You can make any unsubstantiated assertion you like about your god being an “integral part of this universe” and that “without his Reason and Being, it would not exist”. But if you cannot provide evidence then it will remain idle speculation without evidence to support it. .
The Highest of all Sciences, Con-Science, reveals the greatest of Evidence and the purest form of artifact that is at the ready for analysis within the State of Being that God has Given to Us.
I have all the evidence I will ever need, given to me by the God and Controller of all Things, Revealed by the Intellect and Purified in Wisdom.
God Supports my Evidence and is my Witness, his Work in the Universe is the Foundation of Prometheus, And his Holy Spirit is the Testimony of the Christ.
The universe doesn’t verify the existence of your god. That is a human concept you have arbitrarily assigned to your god without evidence and no different to that assigned to the many “creator gods” throughout human history. None of them have been more real than yours.
Their are Many "Creator Gods" but their is only One God of All that Exists, Amnouy you have your own Creator Gods, they are Benign and Useless, have no minds and exists in nothingness, much like your state of being when it is not reconciled to the Archetype of Christ, Joshua being the Bodily Light of this Blueprint of Righteousness.
Mathematics evolved only after homo-sapiens had lived for hundreds of generations when “quantity” was not distinguished beyond broad concepts like one and many, which evolved into counting and ultimately became the purely conceptual mathematics we have today whereby one could not only count things but one could also count the numbers themselves without any reference to objects or events in the real world.
So what is your evidence that mathematics is supernatural and can only be accessed via god?
And where is your evidence of humans being formed by the “hand of god”?
I will respond to the rest at a later time.
January 12th 2008, 04:18 PM #797
Re: Impossible Faith?What is your basis for asserting that “reasoning” is not a natural function of the body and must be ascertained from the supernatural? Of course it is a natural function.
Your argument that all reasoning would be different if it were natural and not divine is specious. Human reason, while differing in detail, is remarkably similar overall as one would expect with humans who evolved to function as a unit, tribe or social organism.
How does one expect humans to evolve in a certain way? Have you observed humans evolving beforehand, before we evolved? Then how do you “expect” something to happen when you yourself have never observed any other evolution but the ones that we are now living out?
Evolution is the process of formation, it is the Hand of God forming all that exists, your word “evolution” is just a name for the Work of God, you try to steal the work of God and give it to the mindless Lord that you have exalted before him, I am sorry, but this is not acceptable, your father, who is a liar and a deceiver, would love for you to worship his mindless idols that he has made for you, but the children of the Almighty will not allow such ignorance to exist, for World was made for God and his good pleasure, who shall win every argument and who shall make your minds captive to the Christ? God himself.
It would be in your best interest to seek the Truth and Knowledge of God with a pure heart and an open mind, and drop your prideful ambition to attack the meek and the humble, with your ignorant exalted mind.
What is your evidence that “reason” does not require a body in order to function? How do you know that it is, as you assert, “the Blood and Body of our Existence”? Substantiate this pious claptrap!
If you seek the Christ, and be reconciled with his righteousness, then you will be the ruler of your thoughts, and you will know that You Are, Therefore You Are.
Every single assertion above is an unsubstantiated statement about the supernatural. Why should I take it seriously?
And, surely it is not acceptable for Christians to equate the second person of the trinity with the Greek mythological figure of Prometheus, which predates Jesus by hundreds of years. It might be effective poetry but it is an invalid argument if you are attempting to demonstrate the existence of the supernatural. Or do you believe in the reality of Prometheus too?
And most of All have you not lived the Being that is beyond all Body?
Still. Why not? Jesus and Prometheus are equally creations of the human mind although Prometheus is far more colorful, no wonder you like to include him.
And you have been granted access by the Father of Formation, to enter his Kingdom, and observe and verify its Glory have you?. Just listen to yourself. I think you are delusional.
I have no problem with your god being natural. He is a product of the natural human mind as are ALL gods including Prometheus, so of course your god is natural. Everything is natural as far as I am concerned. You have not shown otherwise
Mathematics is an evolved human skill and it is an abstract concept without “matter”. I am amused that Christians need to resort to the pre-Christian Supernatural Forms of Plato to attempt explain god’s place in the natural universe.
I only Seperate the Light from the Darkness, and make the distinction between them, for this is also of God's Knowledge and an Ability we have being in his Likeness, Thank The God, Thank My Father, and make him Your Father.
You are telling me nothing. You are giving me poetry. What does “proven in the recesses of Being” mean? It’s pious nonsense.
I think you mean “natural” and it is easy to demonstrate. We are communicating via email. I type to you and you reply. Is this a supernatural occurrence? I don’t think so. I regard it to be an activity within the “natural world”, as I regard ALL activities to be.
There is nothing in your poetic ramblings above that require response. But before you label me a Philistine I assure I get profound pleasure from many creations of the human mind and can be as deeply moved by poetry as you seem to be and music, Wager’s treatment of the Nordic gods for example. But I don’t for a moment believe the content of such sublime poetry and music to be true and that’s the difference.
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January 12th 2008, 04:27 PM #798
Re: Impossible Faith?
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January 14th 2008, 10:36 PM #800
Re: to TheostudentWhich Bible writer was a baby while writing or is "baby" a metaphor?
That's better, but if the heart is the source of life of the body then why is it that when the body dies the heart does too? The one to ask is a scientist rather than a Biblical writer or a poet.
I haven't meant to do that. I intend to exalt science over art, to exalt knowledge over emotion, to exalt logic over irrationality.
And of course I exalt Logic over irrationality, for The Logos, which is the Logic of God, came down from above and gave us a mighty revelation.
I don't know of these children you speak. Apparently, they're metaphors.
That you claim these things doesn't imply they are so. What I see all around me is evidence of the world around me. I can see people, but I don't see some Prometheus.
Have you not read your science books and contemplated upon them? For how God formed us is clearly seen within them, is it not your Exalted Science that tells us of the things of God? Yes it Is.
Now the Jesus of the Bible was allegedly a historical person. Even most nonChristians believe that. But, this Prometheus guy is AFAICT imaginary.
Perhaps by "heart" you mean "wisdom." If you do then say so.
I am a proud person.
Be Humble, not Prideful, Pride is a great error.
I write about as much like a robot as you do. I don't know, but it's my guess that a nonbiological machine could be programmed to write like you about as easily as it could be programmed to write like me. You see, Theostudent, we are biological machines.
Arguing against poetry? That's a rather difficult thing to do, which is why I'm loathe to do it. That your words are like the wind does not prevent them from being like other things that aren't wind.
An outsider reading this might think our roles switched. Interesting.
So a poet claims. Isn't God spirit?
You need to learn the difference between words like "their" and "there" and "they're."
Your clarity this time was better than before. Keep it up and we'll do ok.
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