Impossible Faith?

[Theostudent]

No, I am not much concerned about superstition except for its negative effect on social and technical advancement.

I am also not concerned with superstition, i was not referring to a concern with superstition but with a concern about the origin and purpose and reason of the existance that we have received from the former of all that exists.

What is the negative effect exactly that you are speaking of, give me a very precise example.

You say your god has a nature, but ALL gods have had a nature created for them by their human inventers. Why is yours any different?

I say the Nature of God is revealed in the Creation of all things, in there structure and the aspects of their existance, especially that of Being and Existing in Awareness, where My God exists Now and For Ever.

I invent nothing, I am only an Aware observe of the Glory of God and The Work of His Mighty Hands.

You can make any unsubstantiated assertion you like about your god being an “integral part of this universe” and that “without his Reason and Being, it would not exist”. But if you cannot provide evidence then it will remain idle speculation without evidence to support it. .

The Highest of all Sciences, Con-Science, reveals the greatest of Evidence and the purest form of artifact that is at the ready for analysis within the State of Being that God has Given to Us.

I have all the evidence I will ever need, given to me by the God and Controller of all Things, Revealed by the Intellect and Purified in Wisdom.

God Supports my Evidence and is my Witness, his Work in the Universe is the Foundation of Prometheus, And his Holy Spirit is the Testimony of the Christ.

The universe doesn’t verify the existence of your god. That is a human concept you have arbitrarily assigned to your god without evidence and no different to that assigned to the many “creator gods” throughout human history. None of them have been more real than yours.

He is your God also, He is above you and below you and he knows you through and through, and he Loves you as his Creation.

Their are Many "Creator Gods" but their is only One God of All that Exists, Amnouy you have your own Creator Gods, they are Benign and Useless, have no minds and exists in nothingness, much like your state of being when it is not reconciled to the Archetype of Christ, Joshua being the Bodily Light of this Blueprint of Righteousness.

Mathematics evolved only after homo-sapiens had lived for hundreds of generations when “quantity” was not distinguished beyond broad concepts like one and many, which evolved into counting and ultimately became the purely conceptual mathematics we have today whereby one could not only count things but one could also count the numbers themselves without any reference to objects or events in the real world.

and what is your point? what does this take away from the object of mathematics, the calculations of the mind of God?

So what is your evidence that mathematics is supernatural and can only be accessed via god?

i am in the likeness of God, and i observe his works.

And where is your evidence of humans being formed by the “hand of god”?

I show you the work, the hands reveal themselves, why do you not ask God to see his hands, if your heart is pure, you shall observe them fully.

I will respond to the rest at a later time.

Peace.

[Theostudent]

What is your basis for asserting that “reasoning” is not a natural function of the body and must be ascertained from the supernatural? Of course it is a natural function.

Like I said, the Supernatural to me is the intelligible, all things intelligible are supernatural, the natural is what is physical alone, this is how I define it, Reason is the malleable matter of Heaven and is the former of all physical matter, it existed before it and it shaped the physical structures, all things physical follow the pure reasonable universe, the intelligible, it is not the other way around, your use of the word natural has no meaning, not to you or to me, for by it all you say is “what exists”, you need to define for me what is supernatural to you, before you can tell me that the supernatural does not exist, For me, God is the most Natural being, and I being his Son, am also purely natural, in Heaven and on Earth, in the Physical and in the Spirit.

Your argument that all reasoning would be different if it were natural and not divine is specious. Human reason, while differing in detail, is remarkably similar overall as one would expect with humans who evolved to function as a unit, tribe or social organism.

What is the gobblygook that you are writing, do you even understand the point you are trying to make or what is its purpose?

How does one expect humans to evolve in a certain way? Have you observed humans evolving beforehand, before we evolved? Then how do you “expect” something to happen when you yourself have never observed any other evolution but the ones that we are now living out?

Evolution is the process of formation, it is the Hand of God forming all that exists, your word “evolution” is just a name for the Work of God, you try to steal the work of God and give it to the mindless Lord that you have exalted before him, I am sorry, but this is not acceptable, your father, who is a liar and a deceiver, would love for you to worship his mindless idols that he has made for you, but the children of the Almighty will not allow such ignorance to exist, for World was made for God and his good pleasure, who shall win every argument and who shall make your minds captive to the Christ? God himself.

It would be in your best interest to seek the Truth and Knowledge of God with a pure heart and an open mind, and drop your prideful ambition to attack the meek and the humble, with your ignorant exalted mind.

What is your evidence that “reason” does not require a body in order to function? How do you know that it is, as you assert, “the Blood and Body of our Existence”? Substantiate this pious claptrap!

The evidence is within the Reason and within the Universe that I observe through Being, of course you have been deceived and have followed the thoughts of the philosophers of the elemental spirits of the universe, the ones who have so spoken “I think, therefore I am” this deception that was placed by your own father, there is only one statement that gives truth to being, and that is “I am, therefore I am” This Truth from my Father, destroys your ignorance, and places the Ones who can understand it above you in all things, for you will always be subservient to your thoughts, but those who have the Knowledge of God, know that Being is not a Body, nor is Life a Body, But Being is purely Being, and Life is the Same, Purely Being.

If you seek the Christ, and be reconciled with his righteousness, then you will be the ruler of your thoughts, and you will know that You Are, Therefore You Are.

Every single assertion above is an unsubstantiated statement about the supernatural. Why should I take it seriously?

You should only take serious that which is serious, and the truth and reality of this present world, is very serious indeed, for God has given us a harsh world in which to live, so that we may understand and know all of the Truth, the Good and the Evil, which he so created for our benefit, and also one must understand how God has formed his children, in the Womb of the World, From darkness into light, why do you not see the light of that which is righteous? Are you truly that blind to not understand Justice?

And, surely it is not acceptable for Christians to equate the second person of the trinity with the Greek mythological figure of Prometheus, which predates Jesus by hundreds of years. It might be effective poetry but it is an invalid argument if you are attempting to demonstrate the existence of the supernatural. Or do you believe in the reality of Prometheus too?

Prometheus is Forethought, do you not understand and contemplate on the Forethought inside all that exists, how Gods own mind is within it? Do you not observe the forms of the creatures that he has made with his Wisdom, and the Bodies that he has made for us to live in? how they follow the laws of his Genius?

And most of All have you not lived the Being that is beyond all Body?

Still. Why not? Jesus and Prometheus are equally creations of the human mind although Prometheus is far more colorful, no wonder you like to include him.

Prometheus is not a god, Prometheus is Forethought, the Thought of God the Almighty, that exists within everything and is the origin of All, within the Intelligible mind of the Supreme, My Father.

And you have been granted access by the Father of Formation, to enter his Kingdom, and observe and verify its Glory have you?. Just listen to yourself. I think you are delusional.

What is my delusion, explain to me, for being granted by my Father, the One who Made all Things, to enter in and see his Glory that is hidden from the World? How is this a delusion, what I observe with my own eyes? And not because of what I have done, but for what he has Done, he Shows me the Glory that One Day all will see and be humbled by its Power. For I know that God is Hidden, for you can not observe Him, only through the Path that I followed will he be Seen, The Path of the Christ, the Purifier of Hearts, the One who Makes that which is Sour to be Sweet, and that which is a stench to be the Most loved Aroma to the Senses of the God of the Universe.

I have no problem with your god being natural. He is a product of the natural human mind as are ALL gods including Prometheus, so of course your god is natural. Everything is natural as far as I am concerned. You have not shown otherwise

Indeed, everything is Natural, as all things have come from my Natural God, The One Maker, This is what I am showing you.

Mathematics is an evolved human skill and it is an abstract concept without “matter”. I am amused that Christians need to resort to the pre-Christian Supernatural Forms of Plato to attempt explain god’s place in the natural universe.

Amused by what, that I have used the Work of the Prophet Plato? I do not divide the Goodly Knowledge that God has given to man, I unify it, I do not separate the things of God, I bring them together, as is the Will of God, and the Nature of Christ.

I only Seperate the Light from the Darkness, and make the distinction between them, for this is also of God's Knowledge and an Ability we have being in his Likeness, Thank The God, Thank My Father, and make him Your Father.

You are telling me nothing. You are giving me poetry. What does “proven in the recesses of Being” mean? It’s pious nonsense.

It is not pious nonsense, it is the Knowledge of Being, unassociated with Body, you only know being to be body, so you have no knowledge, that is why you have no control even over your own thoughts.

I think you mean “natural” and it is easy to demonstrate. We are communicating via email. I type to you and you reply. Is this a supernatural occurrence? I don’t think so. I regard it to be an activity within the “natural world”, as I regard ALL activities to be.

Indeed, as I said before, your word natural only means, “What Exists” therefore the God of this Universe is natural also to you, you have no comprehension of what supernatural is, and if you do, please explain it to me, I am guessing you will say the Holly wood caricatures of Ghosts and Magic.

There is nothing in your poetic ramblings above that require response. But before you label me a Philistine I assure I get profound pleasure from many creations of the human mind and can be as deeply moved by poetry as you seem to be and music, Wager’s treatment of the Nordic gods for example. But I don’t for a moment believe the content of such sublime poetry and music to be true and that’s the difference.

The difference between me and you is that when I received the Geode, I broke the Geode open and Observed the Glory of God, when you Received the Geode, You thought it was an ugly Rock and threw it in the Garbage.

[JonLanceBarker]

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[Theostudent]

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He speaks the Truth.

[Theostudent]

Which Bible writer was a baby while writing or is "baby" a metaphor?

It is the newborns into his kingdom that handle his praise on Earth.

That's better, but if the heart is the source of life of the body then why is it that when the body dies the heart does too? The one to ask is a scientist rather than a Biblical writer or a poet.

So who should you ask when it comes to the question of existance? for me their is only one science that is acceptable to answer this question, it is con-science, the science of True Knowledge, not just data and information, but the Truth, The Knowledge of God.

I haven't meant to do that. I intend to exalt science over art, to exalt knowledge over emotion, to exalt logic over irrationality.

I too exalt science over art and over all things, for science is knowledge, and the Science of God is most to be desired.

And of course I exalt Logic over irrationality, for The Logos, which is the Logic of God, came down from above and gave us a mighty revelation.

I don't know of these children you speak. Apparently, they're metaphors.

Being a Child of God is purely Literal.

That you claim these things doesn't imply they are so. What I see all around me is evidence of the world around me. I can see people, but I don't see some Prometheus.

You do not see the origin of the things that have been made? you do not see the path that they took by the Hand of God, how it formed things from the Dust of the Earth into Living Beings?

Have you not read your science books and contemplated upon them? For how God formed us is clearly seen within them, is it not your Exalted Science that tells us of the things of God? Yes it Is.

Now the Jesus of the Bible was allegedly a historical person. Even most nonChristians believe that. But, this Prometheus guy is AFAICT imaginary.

Prometheus is the Forethought of God, I never said he was a person, with the likeness of God I have been made, with the Power of Prometheus have I been endowed, and you also, you should thank the God for what he has done for us, and especially thank him for the Christ, for by him we will be as pure as the Light of God.

Perhaps by "heart" you mean "wisdom." If you do then say so.

The heart makes the wisdom flow throughout the body, it is not the Wisdom itself.

I am a proud person.

Proud of what? all you have been given, was a gift from the Former of Formers, all that you have is what he made for you by his foreknowledge, then what have you to be prideful of? All things that are a virtue within you are only based upon you partaking of his Nature, and you claim it for yourself?

Be Humble, not Prideful, Pride is a great error.

I write about as much like a robot as you do. I don't know, but it's my guess that a nonbiological machine could be programmed to write like you about as easily as it could be programmed to write like me. You see, Theostudent, we are biological machines.

You speak of the functions of the Body, but my existance that has been given to me by my Lord, it is not a function of the Body, nor does it rely on the body, but it relies on the Life of God Alone.

Arguing against poetry? That's a rather difficult thing to do, which is why I'm loathe to do it. That your words are like the wind does not prevent them from being like other things that aren't wind.

Make no distinction between my writing and the Truth of what I say, I write in this manner because it is the way that I have been taught by my Lord, through the Gift of the Holy Spirit.

An outsider reading this might think our roles switched. Interesting.

I am not playing a Role, what Role are you playing?

So a poet claims. Isn't God spirit?

What is Spirit, if I may ask for your Definition, if you have one.

You need to learn the difference between words like "their" and "there" and "they're."

I mix them up a lot, because I do not care, do not expect me to start caring.

Your clarity this time was better than before. Keep it up and we'll do ok.

Clarity is important.