Are there different approaches to philosophizing? I was just curious because the mindset of a Christian philosopher would be to reject everything that is contrary to the word of God whereas the non-Christian philosopher doesn't care if he contradicts the word of God.
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Originally posted by Jaxb View PostAre there different approaches to philosophizing? I was just curious because the mindset of a Christian philosopher would be to reject everything that is contrary to the word of God whereas the non-Christian philosopher doesn't care if he contradicts the word of God.The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu
[T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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IMO, ---Yes.
...though God (or lack of) is not the main element of difference...
Philosophy (thinking/theories) comes about from a paradigm (world-view) which are starting presumptions about "Reality". This "Reality" may or may not include a God concept. Groups of Humanity have different paradigms and this effects the theories and conclusions they draw about "Reality" (assumptions about the world we live in)...so some define reality as illusion, some as God, others as Oneness, still others as nature/natural laws....etc However the paradigm is articulated in language,...we all exist in the same "Reality" so there will be some overlap and commonalities between philosophical ideas and conclusions from different groups/paradigms.
There may also be differences in approach (method) for example, Islamic philosophy (falsafa) began with Kalam (speech) or Language---because the study of language is essential to logic and reason and this follows the Greek way of philosophy. Eventually some found this to be inadequate---because if the purpose of philosophy is to understand and articulate "Reality" and in the Islamic context "Reality" refers to One God, then reason and logic (which relied on language/words) could only get you to a certain point.....after that, as the mystics found....one had to rely on other factors such as insight/instinct/intuition.....and revelation....
from the Islamic perspective, revelation is not limited to scripture alone, both knowledge and nature are also revelations (from God).
The varying degrees of balance between reason/logic and intuition/revelation led to more or less 3 general groups in Islamic philosophy, the Mutazilite, Asharite and the Maturidi...the Mutazilite...and some Asharite philosophers may have influenced the "West"---philosophers such as Avicenna (Ibn Sina-1037), Averroes (1198), al- Farabi (950), al-Kindi (866) are Mutazilites.....Alhacen (Ibn Haytham 1041) was an Asharite philosopher who used the Scientific method we practice today....and others....
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Originally posted by siam View PostIMO, ---Yes.
...though God (or lack of) is not the main element of difference...
Philosophy (thinking/theories) comes about from a paradigm (world-view) which are starting presumptions about "Reality". This "Reality" may or may not include a God concept. Groups of Humanity have different paradigms and this effects the theories and conclusions they draw about "Reality" (assumptions about the world we live in)...so some define reality as illusion, some as God, others as Oneness, still others as nature/natural laws....etc However the paradigm is articulated in language,...we all exist in the same "Reality" so there will be some overlap and commonalities between philosophical ideas and conclusions from different groups/paradigms.
There may also be differences in approach (method) for example, Islamic philosophy (falsafa) began with Kalam (speech) or Language---because the study of language is essential to logic and reason and this follows the Greek way of philosophy. Eventually some found this to be inadequate---because if the purpose of philosophy is to understand and articulate "Reality" and in the Islamic context "Reality" refers to One God, then reason and logic (which relied on language/words) could only get you to a certain point.....after that, as the mystics found....one had to rely on other factors such as insight/instinct/intuition.....and revelation....
from the Islamic perspective, revelation is not limited to scripture alone, both knowledge and nature are also revelations (from God).
The varying degrees of balance between reason/logic and intuition/revelation led to more or less 3 general groups in Islamic philosophy, the Mutazilite, Asharite and the Maturidi...the Mutazilite...and some Asharite philosophers may have influenced the "West"---philosophers such as Avicenna (Ibn Sina-1037), Averroes (1198), al- Farabi (950), al-Kindi (866) are Mutazilites.....Alhacen (Ibn Haytham 1041) was an Asharite philosopher who used the Scientific method we practice today....and others....
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostPhilosophy has many branches. Science, mathematics, ethics, epistemology--every branch is distinctive in some way.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostScience itself is not a branch of philosophy. The philosophy of science is a branch of philosophy.The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu
[T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostPhilosophical Doctor Ph.D. Not for your post.
Last edited by shunyadragon; 04-30-2016, 07:41 AM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Jaxb View PostAre there different approaches to philosophizing? I was just curious because the mindset of a Christian philosopher would be to reject everything that is contrary to the word of God whereas the non-Christian philosopher doesn't care if he contradicts the word of God.Originally posted by Jaxb View PostThat's true. People have different assumptions about reality and their different assumptions will lead them to draw different conclusions.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostThere might have been a time when that designation was literal, but it's not anymore.The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu
[T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostWould someone explain why science should not be considered to be part of philosophy?
Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Shunya, I think many of those who think Science is part of Philosophy would remain unmoved by your post.The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu
[T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostShunya, I think many of those who think Science is part of Philosophy would remain unmoved by your post.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostWould someone explain why science should not be considered to be part of philosophy?I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostWould someone explain why science should not be considered to be part of philosophy?
...this does not mean "philosophy" cannot have a method"---some philosophies use rules of logic etc....and natural sciences (chemistry, biology, etc) can have philosophy too....Some Muslims have coined the term "Islamic science" because the study of phenomenon in natural science using the scientific method was based on the presumption of the existence of One God, Modern science is based on the presumption of "neutrality" of the existence of One God....even though the "Reality" both study is the same.....So, for one group of scientists the purpose of the study of natural science was "to know God" for the other group it is "to know nature"...... Both are paradigms and both create biases in the perception of "Reality"....?.....
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