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    Is it morally permissible to go to bars and nightclubs? I was just wondering because sometimes I hear people say, "Before I came to Christ, I used to go to bars and nightclubs." or "After I became a Christian, I gave up my party lifestyle and stopped going to nightclubs."

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    Originally posted by Jaxb View Post
    Is it morally permissible to go to bars and nightclubs? I was just wondering because sometimes I hear people say, "Before I came to Christ, I used to go to bars and nightclubs." or "After I became a Christian, I gave up my party lifestyle and stopped going to nightclubs."
    Sure, it is generally permissible. It may not always be wise, depending on how particular individuals react to particular temptations. Some such people may experience the inward conviction that it is not permissible *for them.*
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      You also have to consider what may be a stumbling block to young believers.


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        Originally posted by mossrose View Post
        You also have to consider what may be a stumbling block to young believers.
        Yeah, that. You may only be going in there for a Sarsaparilla, but people who see you go in or out won't know that. So much bad stuff happens in bars - I just don't see any reason for a Christian to do that. Personally, I think this is one of those things that are "legal but not expedient".

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mossrose View Post
          You also have to consider what may be a stumbling block to young believers.
          Assuming that 1) said young believers know you personally (and thus know you're a Christian), 2) happen to catch sight of you entering/leaving a bar, and 3) believe that doing so is wrong, sure.

          On the other hand, Jesus hung out with tax collectors and sinners, which is roughly analogous to hanging out in bars IMO.
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            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
            Assuming that 1) said young believers know you personally (and thus know you're a Christian), 2) happen to catch sight of you entering/leaving a bar, and 3) believe that doing so is wrong, sure.

            On the other hand, Jesus hung out with tax collectors and sinners, which is roughly analogous to hanging out in bars IMO.
            And if you're there as the designated driver...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
              Assuming that 1) said young believers know you personally (and thus know you're a Christian), 2) happen to catch sight of you entering/leaving a bar, and 3) believe that doing so is wrong, sure.

              On the other hand, Jesus hung out with tax collectors and sinners, which is roughly analogous to hanging out in bars IMO.
              I disagree. I don't think Jesus "hung out" with tax collectors and sinners in any way the same manner that one would go into, and spend time hanging out in, a place that exists for the primary purpose of serving alcohol. If a Christian were going into a bar or night club to "seek and to save those which were lost", you might have a point.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                Assuming that 1) said young believers know you personally (and thus know you're a Christian), 2) happen to catch sight of you entering/leaving a bar, and 3) believe that doing so is wrong, sure.

                On the other hand, Jesus hung out with tax collectors and sinners, which is roughly analogous to hanging out in bars IMO.
                I assumed all that in what I said. And yes, Jesus did so, but I am not He, nor is any other Christian.

                Nowhere did I imply that we are to huddle ourselves away from unbelievers, and never interact with them.


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  I disagree. I don't think Jesus "hung out" with tax collectors and sinners in any way the same manner that one would go into, and spend time hanging out in, a place that exists for the primary purpose of serving alcohol. If a Christian were going into a bar or night club to "seek and to save those which were lost", you might have a point.
                  From a Pharisaic POV, there isn't much distinction, if any. Jesus "hung out" with tax collectors and sinners where they were. I do know of people who do that. On the other hand, I don't think that going to a bar to hang out is wrong in and of itself, though it's wrong to get drunk while doing so and I wouldn't make a habit of it because it's not cheap.
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                    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    From a Pharisaic POV, there isn't much distinction, if any. Jesus "hung out" with tax collectors and sinners where they were.
                    Can you provide an example where he went with them to a place of business that served alcohol as its primary purpose for being in business?

                    I do know of people who do that.
                    Yes, and I can think of one or two famous ones whose lives were ruined by it.

                    On the other hand, I don't think that going to a bar to hang out is wrong in and of itself, though it's wrong to get drunk while doing so and I wouldn't make a habit of it because it's not cheap.
                    Jesus did not adopt the methods, habits or customs of the sinners to whom He ministered. He called them to repentance - he told them to "sin no more". This notion that He "hung out with" sinners is, in my opinion, both wrong and dangerous.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      I disagree. I don't think Jesus "hung out" with tax collectors and sinners in any way the same manner that one would go into, and spend time hanging out in, a place that exists for the primary purpose of serving alcohol. If a Christian were going into a bar or night club to "seek and to save those which were lost", you might have a point.
                      And a Christian on a mission to the lost in bars would not be wise to go alone.
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                      • #12
                        I'm with moss and CP.
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                          We need more Christians in bars. Get in there!
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Trout View Post
                            We need more Christians in bars. Get in there!
                            It would definitely change the environment in there.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Trout View Post
                              We need more Christians in bars. Get in there!
                              I went to a basketball game at a Catholic high school and they were selling beer at the concession stand. And also they have Catholic "picnics" where people go to eat, play games (like gambling! I won $30 and a Cheesecake!) and they sell beer there too. Does that count?

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